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Jan 1970
time: 05:27
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Ooo, some nasty counter spells are: Arcane Denial, Quash, Rewind, Ertai’s Trickery, and Grip of Amnesia,. |
A "friend" played Quash against me when we played with extended decks, and I thought it was pretty good. So I bought some more for myself at GenCon, and now find they're not that good, only being able to counter target instant or sorcery spells.
I replaced them with Rethinks:
Rethink
{2}{U}
Instant
Counter target spell unless its controller pays X, where X is its converted mana cost.
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Sweet Sauce Jones
Jul 1999
time: 00:27
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Not sure. Aren't there cards banned even for Type 1? |
Just the ante ones, I think. (Like Demonic Attorney or Amulet Of Quoz or Rebirth.) I think they might also have the 4-card-of-each-type limit imposed, but I'm not sure.
Library of Leng is fantastic, but it doesn't prevent your opponent from drawing a zillion cards using Necropotence, since it only skips your discard phase, not your opponent's. The Black Speed Deck strategy relies on your opponent getting Necropotence out on his first turn, drawing a zillion cards, and then having a hand full of weenies and Dark Rituals on the second turn. Blue just doesn't have enough Counterspells to handle all of the spells, White and Green can't get out their weenies fast enough and don't have enough mana to fuel a Circle of Protection, and Red is in the same boat (unless Black is stupid and draws so many cards that Red gets an easy win with a lightning bolt). If your opponent got a Dark Ritual and a Necropotence on his first draw, then you were usually ****ed.
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loinburger
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Sweet Sauce Jones
Jul 1999
time: 00:27
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
That's true, but since the opponent still has a discard phase, he still needs to discard his hand down to 7 cards, right? |
Yup, but Black is usually able to reduce his hand size thanks to Dark Rituals. Two swamps and three Dark Rituals spells a lot of Black weenies on the second turn.
IIRC, black draws on the discard phase with Necropotence (I don't have the card text in front of me), so if you were somehow able to Donate him a Library of Leng then you could potentially keep him cardless for life.
There's another card that I thought would always work well with Donate, but I can't remember its name. It's something like, "Cumulative Upkeep: Remove the top card of your deck from the game. If you do not pay this upkeep, then remove your deck from the game. At any time you may remove the top card of your deck from the game and gain 1 life." Could you just imagine getting stuck with a card like that? "Hooray, I have lots of life, and no deck! Clearly I am the winner!"
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Urban Ranger
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Apolyton Duke of Off-Topic
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Originally posted by loinburger
Yup, but Black is usually able to reduce his hand size thanks to Dark Rituals. Two swamps and three Dark Rituals spells a lot of Black weenies on the second turn. |
True, but that would be a bit costly, unless he's somewhat lucky with his draws. Think about it. If he wants to keep one swamp and 3 Dark Rituals (highly unlikely to pull all 3 of the remaining ones), he has only room for 3 weenies. Speaking of which, what Black weenies are there, except some skeletons?
Anyway, that looks like a Necropotence - black weenie deck is going to have problems with a straight white weenie deck.
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Originally posted by loinburger
IIRC, black draws on the discard phase with Necropotence (I don't have the card text in front of me), so if you were somehow able to Donate him a Library of Leng then you could potentially keep him cardless for life. |
Now that would be nasty, but probably wouldn't work on the first turn, unless you get to go first. It's also a sorcery. Now if it's an Instant, the card would be just very, very deadly.
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Originally posted by loinburger
There's another card that I thought would always work well with Donate, but I can't remember its name. It's something like, "Cumulative Upkeep: Remove the top card of your deck from the game. If you do not pay this upkeep, then remove your deck from the game. At any time you may remove the top card of your deck from the game and gain 1 life." Could you just imagine getting stuck with a card like that? "Hooray, I have lots of life, and no deck! Clearly I am the winner!" |
Oooh. That's vicious. Is it a real card?
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