26-04-2003 05:31									#61
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Just to be clear, the only potential for leader generation that we could possibly lose waiting for next turn would be the possibility of a leader on defense. And that would require a pike to be promoted to elite and generate a leader the same turn. If use a leader to rush at the beginning of next turn, we can get another leader later in the turn; I've generated several leaders in a single turn on occasion.

	26-04-2003 05:31									#62
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I wouldn;t worry about OG... use the GL NOW!!

	26-04-2003 05:31									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Aeson I just tried and there is no inside the city screen option for rushing. Just 'fortify' and 'disband' even for leaders.

Try it with the rush production button. Maybe with the leader in the city???

	26-04-2003 05:32									#64
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Theseus, why such a big hurry?

	26-04-2003 05:33									#65
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cross-posts all over the place, if we keep doing it like this, us alone is bringing down 'poly today

Okay, so there is no option to get the rush before the ned of next turn, meaning Sun Tsu in 3 turns... too late for me, even if hiding it would be good. But, we lost on the Pyramids once already, I don't want to lose this wonder to due to some miracle reason. Don't forget that Feudalism probably isn't exclusive to us and GoW next turn, so any other civ could switch a palace prebuild (if they are over 10 cities, which Lego most likely will be about now)

My vote goes to rushing it in OG or Bolderberg asap, instead of risking anything.

DeepO

	26-04-2003 05:35									#66
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We would use the leader at the very beginning of next turn. Sun Tsu's would only be delayed by one turn.

	26-04-2003 05:37									#67
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GoW is still showing as building the Great Library - the only wonder shown as being built, and I can't see anyone's having a 600-shield palace yet - so a leader would be the only way anyone could possibly beat us to Sun Tsu's.

	26-04-2003 05:37									#68
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Definitely switch Cyclone to a 1 turn Worker to use up it's 10 shields on something before rushing the wonder.

I tried rushing with the button NYE... just didn't mention it because I felt a little foolish/desperate by trying.

	26-04-2003 05:39									#69
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quote: Originally posted by nbarclay GoW is still showing as building the Great Library - the only wonder shown as being built, and I can't see anyone's having a 600-shield palace yet - so a leader would be the only way anyone could possibly beat us to Sun Tsu's.

What about palace pre-builds?

	26-04-2003 05:39									#70
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Okay, if we want to delay it, that's fine.

So, can we sell barracks somewhere, to get the extra 2 gold?

DeepO

	26-04-2003 05:39									#71
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Sun tSu is 600 shields, no-one can do that in the next few turns.
Even our palace is still 400 shields and the only ones building a wonder, still is GoW.

	26-04-2003 05:40									#72
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Theseus, you quote the answer

Lego could do it, but it is a very remote chance, I agree.

DeepO

	26-04-2003 05:41									#73
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I made a mistake in thinking we had a 600 shield palace possible, but of course, it was only a 400 shield one. And most likely, we still have the most cities in the world...

DeepO

	26-04-2003 05:44									#74
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The only ones snatching it realistically (even very remote) is Vox, but hey, that nets us another wonder

	26-04-2003 05:46									#75
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Vox can't generate a leader in the next turn unless we promote one of their units to elite and leave it alive. If that happens, we go ahead and rush this turn just to be paranoid.

	26-04-2003 05:46									#76
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If Lego has a 600 shield Palace (20 cities?) we have much larger problems than losing Sun Tzu's.

	26-04-2003 05:47									#77
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OK folks. Are we close to making a decision?

Rush Sun Tzu's in OG or Cyclone?

Shall we have a show of hands to decide, or would people still like to continue debating?

	26-04-2003 05:48									#78
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Good call... no palace pre-builds then.

I don;t really care anyway, I think ST would be a good build.

	26-04-2003 05:49									#79
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Cyclone.

	26-04-2003 05:50									#80
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Most definately Cyclone

	26-04-2003 05:56									#81
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I'll vote for Cyclone. (1 turn worker there this turn)

	26-04-2003 05:56									#82
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Wow, I've missed a lot here great work guys


Cyclone

	26-04-2003 05:59									#83
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel Wow, I've missed a lot here great work guys

Come along to our IRC room if you can.

I vote Cyclone too, btw.

	26-04-2003 06:04									#84
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My vote: definitely ST at Cyclone.
Wonderful (pun not intended) discussion guys

	26-04-2003 06:06									#85
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Cyclone.

	26-04-2003 06:07									#86
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ST @ Cyclone works for me...

	26-04-2003 06:10									#87
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Come along to our IRC room if you can. I vote Cyclone too, btw.

I really wish I could, however I am a bit indisposed at the moment, and can only sneak peeks at poly.

	26-04-2003 06:36									#88
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forgot to vote... it doesn't matter that much to me, so let's vote for Cyclone to make it unanomously

DeepO

	26-04-2003 06:36									#89
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HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! The RNG Gods have smiled upon us!

Sun Tzu's is the best option. Let's do it!



-Arrian

	26-04-2003 06:50									#90
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No units lost...
A6 is almost cleaned up