28-04-2003 04:42									#61
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Aye... we certainly would rather lose Arashi than Tempest. But then again, they would rather destroy Tempest than Arashi (more to pop rush there, hurts us more).

We can hold both, but our Pikes on a Pike by Pike basis are more vulnerable in Tempest (2 Pikes in Arashi can be fortified). Giving them the Cats means we should have overall better chances of having Pikes survive than otherwise.

The two fortified Pikes will have Cat support in Arashi, which gives them basically a 50:50 chance at surviving 2 Immortals and getting the upgrade.

All our Pikes in Tempest will have close to 50:50 chances as well (given that some will be hit by 3 HP immortals).

	28-04-2003 04:46									#62
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Maybe we should block the Galley? If we take the 2 coast tiles 6 and 63 of the Iron, Vox can't get around without attacking... it almost guarantees that they are delayed getting reinforcements down the coast. Of course they could attack with a loaded Galley... but who does that?

If they are 9 of the Iron, they are probably going to pick up units farther N though.

	28-04-2003 04:50									#63
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I still think Arashi is Vox's better target, unless they're in a somewhat suicidal mood. They have one more immortal in a position to attack Arashi than they do Tempest, and they have to figure Tempest is probably the more strongly defended of the two. (Unless they're ready to hope we placed our bets on out-guessing them and guessing they'd attack Arashi.) Also, we have seven pikes to go around between the two cities. If Arashi has three pikes and Tempest has four, I think three cats in Arashi would be a good thing.

	28-04-2003 04:54									#64
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Excellent, thanks.

-Arrian

	28-04-2003 04:55									#65
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If I'm Vox, I don't pick up units until the GS galleys are dealt with. Sending a loaded galley into the teeth of two enemy galleys is just asking for trouble.

Actually, having Vox go around our galleys would probably be a very good thing for us. Assuming we win, that leaves us closer to our core than if Vox's galley keeps retreating, so we're in a better position to go back and pick up troops.

	28-04-2003 04:55									#66
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Ok with me. Lets try our luck with the Cats?

	28-04-2003 04:56									#67
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Arrian, is three cats in each okay with you?

	28-04-2003 04:57									#68
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I was thinking we could fortify our Galleys there and end the E coast nonsense. Galleys get the 10% terrain defense bonus, and Vox could never get a Galley around our 2 without risking either a less than even odds attack, or sinking at sea.

Anyone know if the fortification bonus works for Galleys?

	28-04-2003 04:57									#69
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I went ahead and moved one cat into Tempest and attacked. Bombardment failed.

	28-04-2003 04:58									#70
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Sure. That's fine.

-Arrian

	28-04-2003 05:00									#71
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Galleys don't get any fortification bonus.

	28-04-2003 05:01									#72
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I see two possible problems with a blockade. (1) It ties up our galleys. (2) Vox may possibly have a second galley they can send in as a reinforcement (although if they do, we'd probably have seen it by now). I'd just as soon take on their galley as a singleton rather than risk its being reinforced.

	28-04-2003 05:02									#73
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Our cat from Arashi missed too. I guess fantastic luck two turns in a row would have been a bit much to hope for.

	28-04-2003 05:03									#74
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Galley warfare is tricky... 27% we lose both Galleys on attack. I'd rather take the 10% defense bonus than fight against it.

	28-04-2003 05:03									#75
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Nathan, what were the rushing moves again? Cat in monsoon, pike in Tempest?

-Arrian

	28-04-2003 05:05									#76
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Actually make that 17.8%... used the wrong number for the second attacker.

	28-04-2003 05:06									#77
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Switched to Walls in Tempest, short rushed the Pike in Arashi, and rushed the Cat in Monsoon.

	28-04-2003 05:07									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Nathan, what were the rushing moves again? Cat in monsoon, pike in Tempest?

Cat in Monsoon, pike short-rushed in Arashi, Tempest switched from building a pike to building walls.

	28-04-2003 05:07									#79
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The missed Cats might work in our favor anyways. They are more likely to continue on seeing they are mostly invulnerable on the highlands.

	28-04-2003 05:10									#80
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I'm thinking move our remaining unupgraded (regular) swordsman from Arashi into Tempest and upgrade him. It's 20 wasted gold if Vox penetrates Tempest's pikes and kills him, but it gives us an extra counterattacker otherwise.

	28-04-2003 05:10									#81
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Ok, I was close enough to have the right number of troops.

So here is how I arranged our forces:

Arashi: 4 pikemen, 1 regular Med inf, one 3/4 med inf, one 2/3 med inf, 3 cats, 1 vet WC, 2 3/5 WCs.

Tempest: 3 pikemen, 3 cats, 1 vet med inf, 1 reg sword, one 2/5 WC, one 2/4 WC.

What do y'all think of that?

-Arrian

	28-04-2003 05:14									#82
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I already have things moved to have four pikes in Tempest and three in Arashi. That was one of the assumptions that having three cats in Arashi was based on.

	28-04-2003 05:16									#83
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Oh. Ok. Not that it matter much, but then again, Vox can bring one more immortal to bear on Arashi than they can on Tempest (the one on A9).

-Arrian

	28-04-2003 05:18									#84
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I'd rather wait on the upgrade. Keep the Vet Med Infs in Tempest where they get the fortification bonus (and will heal up).

	28-04-2003 05:20									#85
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How close is Sufu to their Galley? (the screenshots have been cutting it off)

	28-04-2003 05:21									#86
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I'm thinking back up Tempest's pikes with one regular medieval infantry and one regular swordsman upgraded to medieval infantry, and leave everything else that's in Arashi there. So

Tempest: Four pikes, two regular medieval infantry, a 2/4 WC, and a 2/5 WC. Worst case: the 2/4 WC gets killed and the 2/5 WC keeps Vox from entering the city.

Arashi: Three pikes, a healthy veteran medieval infantry, a 3/4 medieval infantry, a 2/3 medieval infantry, a healthy WC, and two 3/5 WCs, all fortified except for one pike. Vox would have to either win or leave us at only one hit point in the six battles against non-WC units in order to get a shot at an elite WC.

	28-04-2003 05:22									#87
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Sufa finishes its galley next turn unless we change it to something else (assuming my production-shuffling doesn't interfere).

	28-04-2003 05:23									#88
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Sufa, our southern coastal city? 18 tiles between the city and Vox's galley.

-Arrian

	28-04-2003 05:24									#89
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Aeson, we need more swordsmen or medieval infantry in Tempest either way, and those won't be fortified whetehr we upgrade them or not. If we move our last unupgraded swordsman from Arashi to Tempest, we can upgrade him without giving up a fortification bonus (since moving costs him the fortification bonus whether he's upgraded or not).

	28-04-2003 05:25									#90
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I meant Arashi in my post of course, the Med Inf can't fortify/heal in Tempest. Sorry.

The troop disposition looks good.