02-05-2003 18:24									#151
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Well I'm glad I'm not the only one that was confused into an earlier date by this globe. Hey GP, if you still have it find it, I'd like to start a collection.

	02-05-2003 18:27									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove All that we can say is that it is a truly crappy map.

Hey...

	02-05-2003 18:30									#153
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Since the shapes of countries and borders seem grossly inaccurate in at least some cases, those are IMO not a good thing to focus on. Names, capitals and existance/non-existance/colonial status of countries seems more reliable, in this case.

But yeah, 1945-1947 sounds pretty accurate to me as well.

	02-05-2003 19:16									#154
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I've got a globe from the 1920s... It's pretty cool with marked lines for zepelins and stuff

	02-05-2003 19:19									#155
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Marked lines for zeppelins? C'mon, c'mon show it, I love old globes.

	02-05-2003 19:32									#156
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quote: Originally posted by Henrik I've got a globe from the 1920s... It's pretty cool with marked lines for zepelins and stuff

That's way cool. Can you give us a pic?

	02-05-2003 19:43									#157
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I would if I had any way to take a picture of it
Haven't got any kind of digital camera or webcam at all I'm afraid

Come to think of it I am not sure it is from the 1920s, could be from the 1930s as well.

There are both Zepelin lines and someting called "Flugboote" lines marked on it (the globe is in Swedish mostly but it says Zeppelinflüge and Flugboote in German for some reason), as well as a lot of lines I suppose would be normal shiping routes.
For instance I could tell from it that you could take a zeppelin from Nuremberg to New York via Dover.

	02-05-2003 19:45									#158
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Henrik, your killing me, get a damn webcam. Seems like we have another globe that could use some dating.

	02-05-2003 19:58									#159
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If/when I get a webcam I'll take some pics and start a thread here, that might be far off into the future though

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Locutus, I never noticed you have a borg avatar before...


This is a really really cool thread.... and some funky old globe

	02-05-2003 20:17									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove All that we can say is that it is a truly crappy map. Sudan being "Anglo-Egyptian" dates the map as being pre-1950s, prior to Gamel Nassar coming to power. Could the map have been designed somewhere around 1949 to 1954, i.e., after the birth of Israel?

It can't be after 1949, cause Transjordan changed it's name to Jordan in '49 after annexing the West Bank.

So around 48-49 is my guess (though, of course, there's some wiggle room cause it's always possible the maker of the globe didn't bother to take into account the latest changes)

	02-05-2003 20:19									#162
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Like I said in page 3 (I have 50 p/p), It can't be after 1947, since Finland still has eastern Karelia, and IIRC Germany was officially divided into east and west in... 1948?

	03-05-2003 00:46									#163
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Exactly... my guess is still 1947 .

	03-05-2003 01:26									#164
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You guy saying that it "can't be after..." are assuming that the map some guy in a factory in Bryan, OH was working from was current or even accurate! That may be a bit of a stretch. He could have cut and pasted a couple of different old maps to get it to fit correctly in 1963 for all we know.

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Could I still get an explanation of what the heck Labrador was?

	03-05-2003 01:31									#166
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I don't want to hear it Sten, my globe was made in 1947 and thats the end of it.

The globes were made well into the 60s at least and their seem to be plenty of them in collections, we just have to find some from different dates we can compare to.

Thanks Siro

	03-05-2003 01:52									#167
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sorry gsmoove - I've actually been to Bryan Ohio, so my thinking is clouded. I'll pay $800 for the rare globe item!

Are you sure it is tin? Ya know platinum is pretty light weight too!

	03-05-2003 02:12									#168
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It seems the Ohio Art Co. was a serious globe maker...

quote: untitled. 9.5" diameter transfer painted steel desk globe. The Ohio Art Co. Bryan, Ohio. c1947. Surface Model D-174 with compass rose near Alaska with small anchor in center and trade logo near Chile. Oceans finished in pale blue, time dial at North Pole. Fixed molded white plastic half meridian on a round pressed metal base finished in alternating panels of dark blue and gold with zodiac signs and their dates. Very simplified map surface omitting East Pakistan, an undivided Korea and Indo China ("French" omitted), all African colonies in place showing both Northern and Southern Rhodesia. Propeller driven planes with stops at Wake Island. One small surface dent but overall excellent condition. I.D.#04536.untitled.

There are also a bunch of other Ohio Art toy globes going back to the 10s and 20s. Thought it was interesting watching them change.

quote: Untitled. [child's table globe]. Ohio Art Co. Bryan, Ohio. c1928. 4 inch transfer painted steel orb without time dial. Oceans finished in medium blue, very simplified map surfaces. With Elliptic and International Date Line and a few nautical distances. Conforming steel ferule on pressed tin brown-grained cabochon base. Korea called Chosen and colored same as Japan. Small dents and scratching to surface but in very good condition. I.D.#06566. As you save. So you prosper. World Bank. The Ohio Art Co. Bryan, Ohio. c1937. 4.5" diameter child's transfer painted tin bank formed as a globe. Color print over steel, interesting dark gray-blue ocean surface with matching base. China finished in same shade. Large compass rose in Pacific near Alaska. Germany expanded to include the Rhineland and Ethiopia called Italian E. Africa. British Empire no longer in pink. Large area of corrosion in south Pacific and a few surface dents. I.D.#04320. Untitled [child's table globe bank]. The Ohio Art Co. Bryan, Ohio. 1946. 4 inch diameter transfer painted steel orb, slotted as a bank. Not time dial or meridian. Oceans finished in robinegg blue with International Date Line and ocean distances. Does not show Pakistan, lock plate missing. Base once red as been resprayed blue with discoloring in the southern hemisphere. Dents. Same as I.D.#04319. I.D.#08185. Reference Globe. World Savings Bank. [Child's 6" transfer painted tin bank formed as a globe.] The Ohio Art Co. Bryan, Ohio. c1947a. Surface Model D-174 with mounting holes at North and South Poles. In the bank configuration with slot, fixed to a raised metal woodgrained base lettered in brown on white ground. Simplified map surface. Same geography as I.D.#03738 showing Korea as a united country, southeast Asia showing Siam and Indo China, the British Empire in pink. Airline distances show propeller driven planes with stops at Wake Island. Nice condition with only one small surface dent. I.D.#04533. World Bank. As you save. So you prosper. The Ohio Art Co. Bryan, Ohio. c1950. 3" diameter child's transfer painted tin bank formed as a globe. Color print over steel, medium blue ocean surfaces, base red with white lettering. Large compass rose in Pacific near Alaska. British Empire no longer pink. Fairly detailed surface with International Date Line, tropics of Cancer and Capricorn, air distances in red, nautical distances. Shows Israel but not Pakistan. Upper hemisphere misalligned with lower. Locking plate lacking. I.D.#09905. World Bank. As you save. So you prosper. The Ohio Art Co. Bryan, Ohio. c1954. 4.5" diameter child's transfer painted tin bank formed as a globe. Color print over steel, oceans finished a bright blue. China and some other countries finished a deep purple. Model D-174. Interesting reprint of a 1930's design hastily reissued to show a divided Vietnam, an event which occurred on July 22, 1954. Few surface dents, locking plate lacking. I.D.#04319.

That c1950 one seems awfully familiar. Somebody had posted this site before and I didn't look at it, thanks. http://www.murrayhudson.com/antique...obes_8inch.html

They have a list of antique globes sorted by year and it seems there are very few globes during the war years. I wonder why?

	03-05-2003 02:16									#169
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Also they have a whole bunch of globes made in the late 40s where Israel or Israel and Pakistan were added after the initial printing. Pretty funny.

	03-05-2003 02:35									#170
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Btw, what happened to Rwanda and Burundi? They still seem incorporated in Tanganyika. When did those become mandate areas?

	03-05-2003 02:38									#171
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov Locutus, I never noticed you have a borg avatar before...

Well, I've had one for the past 3 years or so Though not always the same one. (In fact, this new one is the first not featuring Patrick Stewart )

gsmoove23,
Browsing through that list, it would appear that there are a *lot* that seem familiar The 'Shows Israel but not Pakistan' remark is interesting but if I studied those photos well I believe the British Empire *is* still pink on your globe, is it not? Anyway, it appears that they didn't pay too much attention to accuracy in making those globes, so yours could basically be from anywhere between 1930 and 1960, though most likely somewhere around 1948-1952...

	03-05-2003 02:46									#172
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I would have to say the British Empire is white , any confusion must be due to my crappy webcam, which I'd gladly give away for another one of these globes.

Everything is similar to the c1950 one except for the "Large compass rose in Pacific near Alaska" and the "air distances in red"(which I have got to say I feel gypped that I don't have). The upper hemisphere is even severely misaligned with the lower. My only consolation is the site says c1950 instead of 1950 which allows for some room.

	03-05-2003 02:47									#173
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Metals like tin would have been rationed during the war years, so it was likely that the company was not allowed to produce their banks. They probably made something else, though. I am wondering what that would have been... mess tins maybe. ??

	03-05-2003 02:53									#174
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I'm talking about all globes not only tin ones. But perhaps you're right and it was due to some sort of rationing and not just throwing their hands up in the air and waiting for the dust and especially the borders to settle before they started up again.