02-05-2003 04:13									#92
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Of course, leave it to me to make the obvious joke:

Date my Globe!

Sorry, I'm already spoken for!

	02-05-2003 04:14									#93
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	02-05-2003 04:16									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Of course, leave it to me to make the obvious joke: Date my Globe! Sorry, I'm already spoken for!

Damn, at times like this I wish English was my first language. People tell jokes and I totally completely don't get what they are talking about

	02-05-2003 04:21									#95
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Is the globe female?

	02-05-2003 04:25									#96
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Well Boris, perhaps you'll forgive me for the obvious response. Lick my Globe.

If anyone cares to see the cooler parts of my globe...



What the Hell is Tannu Tuva or Stuva. Unified Korea, I like, has a look to it.

Whats the significance of Sinkiang and Manchuria separate from China but the same color?

	02-05-2003 04:31									#97
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I vote for 1947.

Korean is still undivided.

	02-05-2003 04:33									#98
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quote: Originally posted by cinch I don't understand the Labrador & Newfoundland business. I was under the impression that the province of "Newfoundland & Labrador" came into being in 1949. Why does this map show Labrador as being part of Great Britain, but have Newfoundland be part of Canada? The whole province joined confederation at the same time, I thought.

To my knowledge Labradour was a part of the dominion of Canada since its inception but New foundland was actually a crown colony until 1949 when Britain gave it to Canada.

	02-05-2003 04:45									#99
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Well, Labrador as a whole certainly wasn't part of the Dominion at its inception (1867):



The southern part of Labrador *was* originally part of Quebec, though, as you can see (if the picture shows).

And, apparently, most of Labrador (save for the extreme coast?) was part of Quebec or the NWT until 1949:



None of that really matters, though, because on the globe, Newfoundland is the same colour as Canada, while Labrador is not. That's just plain silly.

	02-05-2003 04:49									#100
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quote: Originally posted by gsmoove23 What the Hell is Tannu Tuva or Stuva. Unified Korea, I like, has a look to it. Whats the significance of Sinkiang and Manchuria separate from China but the same color?

Tannu Tuva = a strip of land that the USSR stole from Mongolia.

Sinkiang & Manchuria = well whatever. it's not like China had a working government back then anyways.

Manchuria, however, was a separate country (though a Japanese-vassal kind of separate country) between 1931 and 1945. The globe seems to show THAT border.

	02-05-2003 06:08									#101
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This is pretty cool. thread.

I'd vote for 1947. Just to hop on the bandwagon.

	02-05-2003 06:36									#102
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Something is wrong about Arabia. It was named Saudi Arabia in 1933 and the border with Yemen, not on the map, was defined in 1936.

So this puts the map of this area prior to 1933!

	02-05-2003 06:46									#103
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As long as people are still posting I'll show you some of the underparts of my globe...



Thanks Felch

	02-05-2003 07:04									#104
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Am I the only one that thinks maybe GSM is toying with everyone, posting pictures of different globes?

	02-05-2003 07:11									#105
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I seriously wish I was devious enough to think of that. Damn!

	02-05-2003 07:19									#106
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We seem to have it narrowed to between 1920 and 1932. The French united Lebanon and Syria in 1920. Saudi Arabia was formed in 1933.

	02-05-2003 07:26									#107
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The border between Germany and Poland is post-1945 though.

	02-05-2003 07:31									#108
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I vote that it was made in an alternate time line where the planet actually had borders like that all at one time, and somehow got to this one in some time/space wormhole.

	02-05-2003 07:44									#109
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quote: Originally posted by ranskaldan The border between Germany and Poland is post-1945 though.

No it is not. This shows a united Germany with post-WWI borders. All maps post WWII showed East and West Germany.

It does not show the Free City of Danzig. That came into being in 1920.

Do we have a date then?

1920?

	02-05-2003 07:47									#110
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gsmoove23

i had one of those globes back in the day (sometime in the 80's when i was a kid), i think i threw it in the trash when i was moving though

	02-05-2003 07:48									#111
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Also, Manchuria being separate, but Chinese blue, dates it from 1918-1931.

	02-05-2003 07:52									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Ned No it is not. This shows a united Germany with post-WWI borders. All maps post WWII showed East and West Germany. It does not show the Free City of Danzig. That came into being in 1920. Do we have a date then? 1920?

Post-WWI Germany had the East Prussian exclave. It also had most of south Baltic coast and Silesia. That makes for a "<"-shaped border with Poland (not considering East Prussia).

Post-WWII Germany had its border along the Oder and Neisse - a near-perfect straight from north to south - which is exactly what this map shows.

Post-WWII maps did not show East and West Germany until after the western sectors united to form West Germany (and the Russian sector became East Germany).

That places the map in around '47~'48.

and as for Manchuria: Manchukuo was formed in 1931. Before that Manchuria was composed of Chinese provinces (4 of them, to be exact) like the rest of China.

	02-05-2003 08:27									#113
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Also, there are not Baltic republics and Poland's eastern border is at the Curzon line. Thus it must be post 1945.

	02-05-2003 08:42									#114
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This globe is the ultimate source of all American confusion about world geography.
A veritable Holy Grail of geographical ignorance.
Its value as an historical relic is beyond price.

	02-05-2003 09:16									#115
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Damn AS, what did my globe ever do to you. I defy you to keep up with the ever changing borders of the time period, much less print them on a tin globe with a diameter of four inches. Here, take a seat and have a gander at some more under regions of my globe...



Whats the deal with the weird Ecuador-Peru border and why is Bolivia on steroids? I didn't realize there was much shifting of borders in S America.

	02-05-2003 09:22									#116
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Most likely, the folks who made that globe had some old maps lying around and just cobbled them together. It's not like anyone was going to plan atrip based on them.

	02-05-2003 09:40									#117
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No Baltic Stqtes?

They were formed in 1918.

This could be 1918 since it also shows Manchuria which was formed in the same year.

As to Syria/Lebanon, I suspect that this was the plan to have them united in 1918.

Also in 1918, there was no BRITISH MANDATE. But there was the Balfour Declaration making Palestine the Jewish Homeland.

1918 is looking real promisng.

	02-05-2003 09:42									#118
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Ecuador and Peru had 3 wars resulting from border disputes, the first in 1942.

and

quote: Bolivia's territory had always been coveted by its neighbors, encompassing as it did over 2 million square kilometers (780,000 sq mi). Chile's desire for more land first bore fruit in the War of the Pacific, which it fought with Bolivia between 1879 and 1884. Chile triumphed, securing 850km (527mi) of coastline and robbing Bolivia of the port of Antofagasta, leaving the country landlocked. Soon after, Peru, Brazil and Argentina also began hacking away at Bolivia's borders. In 1932, a border dispute with Paraguay in the Chaco region over oil deposits stripped Bolivia of further land. The ensuing Chaco War (1932-1935) also served to foment civil unrest within the country, promulgating reformist associations and leading to a series of coups by reform-minded military leaders.

I did not know that. It looks like, assuming it was printed in the 40s, they ddn't care to look into changes to the Bolivian border.

	02-05-2003 09:45									#119
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This globe is from the World Bank. Knowing them, it was probably made last year.

	02-05-2003 09:52									#120
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If the World bank put it out, obviously it is past 1945, since there was no World Bank before WW2.