02-05-2003 02:52									#61
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Alright fine, I was hoping to tease out a page more before my next post but here goes.



For the ME I'm thinking pre 1948 at least now, since Lebanon was given independance in 46, the same year the 'Trans-' was dropped off of Jordan. too bad its not pre-WWII. I guess we believe what we want to believe.

	02-05-2003 02:53									#62
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Does it have South Vietnam on the map? Also does it say Belize or British Hondures? Look at Africa; what colony names (if any) are listed? Angola & Mozambique or Portugese SW & SE Africa. Spanish Sahara or just Sahara?

If an independent Ghana is on the map then it is post 1959.

If the Portugese are out of Africa (pun intended) then it as atleast the mid 1970s; same with Sahara.

Belize became independent in 1981.

If it is pre-1959 (Africa is colonized) then we can work off of things like is Alaska & Hawaii a state or a territory? Is Korea divided? Has India been partitioned(Yes, then post 1947)?

Post more pictures and I'll be able to contrain the date fairly well.

	02-05-2003 02:56									#63
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For those of you that may be wondering... Ohio Art is most famous for the Etch-a-sketch.

The company could have been behind on global history, but more up to day on US stuff... check to make sure that Alaska is a territory. It gained statehood in the late 50's.

do'h Oerdin! you pipped me! that will cost me a pint of something.

	02-05-2003 02:56									#64
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I was baffled by the non-existance of Lebanon as well.

But Israel ? Might I remind you that the name of the state was decided in 48'.

In other news, we have confirmation of it being pre-India split up.

	02-05-2003 02:58									#65
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No Tunisia, so it's before 56. Where's Lebanon?

	02-05-2003 02:58									#66
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Oh c'mon, everyone knew it was going to be Israel.

Thanks for the Ohio Art info, I thought I had heard of them before.

	02-05-2003 02:59									#67
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I'm afraid this globe is filled with geographical mistakes which makes any observation vulnerable from the beggining.

Too many antithesis.

One should count them and compare them and then make judgement.

Or as Stern said check the american territories and interests and judge from there since the maker's geographical knowledge apart from those seems to be wanting.

	02-05-2003 02:59									#68
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it's After the creation of Israel, but before the split up of India.

I think this is as thin a timeframe as we can get, people.

	02-05-2003 03:00									#69
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1947 seems like the best fit to me although there is still the problem of Lebennon. What was the exact year of the Chinese invasion of Tibet? Tibet is still shown as independent. Bhutan is also way to big.

	02-05-2003 03:01									#70
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The existence of Sinkiang means before 1949.

No Pakistan, means before mid-1947.

Existence of Israel means after 1948 (although, this may be only an informal border).

I see a contradiction...

I'd say 1948, but the mapmaker clearly screwed up somewhere...

	02-05-2003 03:03									#71
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quote: After the creation of Israel, but before the split up of India.

Contradiction.

	02-05-2003 03:05									#72
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The only plausable explaination is the map is showing an informal Israeli border. Either that or it is just plain wrong.

	02-05-2003 03:05									#73
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yep, you're right.

esp. since One cannot point to the UN partition decision, since The name was decided upon before the declaration in 48'. I think.

	02-05-2003 03:06									#74
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Notice again, PAL is written beneath Israel and there is a very straight border between Israel and Transjordan(became Jordan in 1946)

I'm thinking 46-47.

	02-05-2003 03:07									#75
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quote: Originally posted by gsmoove23 Notice again, PAL is written beneath Israel and there is a very straight border between Israel and Transjordan(became Jordan in 1946)

1949, actually, IIRC. After 1948, for sure, since before then, Jordan didn't have the west bank, which was why it was called Transjordan.

And the UN partition plan for Israel/Palestine wasn't until 47, IIRC.

	02-05-2003 03:07									#76
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Keep in mind this is primarily a coin bank first, an accurate globe second.

Looks like 1948 is the most likely candidate, it seems!

	02-05-2003 03:08									#77
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Che is right about Rumania though. If these is a 1947/1948 Globe then why does it show BessArabia (Maldova) as still Rumanian and not Soviet?

	02-05-2003 03:09									#78
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I am inclining towards plain wrong ( on the Indian map ), since he could've not guessed Israel, but he could've ignored the partition of India ( stupid yes, but possible without the existance of psychic powers. )

	02-05-2003 03:10									#79
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Oerdin, I am not sure when was Moldavia annexed to the SU, it is possible that at that point, it was Romanian Territory ( while of course, all of it was soviet controlled )

	02-05-2003 03:15									#80
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I find it hard to believe that he remembered Labrador not being part of Canada and forgot the partition of India. I can see someone who supported zionism putting the title of Israel on Palestine as well as the PAL label however before 1948. Its not too much of a stretch. But it would be a stretch to put PAL on the globe after independance.

	02-05-2003 03:20									#81
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Beijing is still Peiping and NOT the capital. That's pre-1949.

Changking?? It's Chungking if we go by the Wade-Giles system.

And that is the weirdest version of the borders of Tibet I've seen yet.

	02-05-2003 03:24									#82
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Man, so many changes in that time frame. Did they have to go through a map a week?

	02-05-2003 03:25									#83
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quote: Originally posted by gsmoove23 I find it hard to believe that he remembered Labrador not being part of Canada and forgot the partition of India.

The company is located in Bryan, Ohio, less than 100 miles from the Canadian border.

French Indochina was pre '54? or 56?

	02-05-2003 03:30									#84
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In retrospect I like my globe even more now. Made at a time when borders all over have been recently changed, will be changed or are in transition. Pretty cool.

People who have asked about the US, Alaska is just labeled Alaska. I'm not sure if this necessarily means its a state or not. Hawaii is interestingly labelled the Hawaiian islands.

	02-05-2003 03:31									#85
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Laos and Cambodia declared independence in '53, IIRC.

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I don't understand the Labrador & Newfoundland business. I was under the impression that the province of "Newfoundland & Labrador" came into being in 1949. Why does this map show Labrador as being part of Great Britain, but have Newfoundland be part of Canada?

The whole province joined confederation at the same time, I thought.

	02-05-2003 03:40									#87
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So i guess we have decided that this enchanting yet incorrect globe was made either in 1947 or 1948, though I think '47 seems a better guess.

	02-05-2003 03:55									#88
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Alright, so now how much money do you think its worth?

	02-05-2003 03:56									#89
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What's the scrap price of tin these days?

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Thats just cold man. Cold.