18-05-2003 20:08									#91
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Sava, i trust educated people who have degrees in literature and film to understand a story better than you.

	18-05-2003 20:16									#92
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you give film critics too much credit

	18-05-2003 20:32									#93
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but you not enough?

	18-05-2003 20:35									#94
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film critics are usually snobbish types that generally have unpopular opinions... IIRC... "Titanic" got rave reviews

As a 22 year old college student, I feel I can relate to people of my demographic much better than some overpaid pompous asswipe that thought "The Talent Mr. Ripley" was a good movie.

	18-05-2003 20:41									#95
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quote: Titanic" got rave reviews

Titanic was also one of the best-selling movies of all time, so I guess the critics were not the only ones that liked it.


Anyway, on The Matrix - Didn't understand this one. I just wanted to see some fighting but did not see enough.

And the ENDING??!?!?!?!?

What a ripoff! "To be Continued???"

What is this, a daytime soap opera????

All we needed was the sappy music for that one and it would have been perfect.

	18-05-2003 21:12									#96
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	18-05-2003 21:42									#97
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I went insane for about 5 hours the morning after I saw it thinking about things that didn't make any sense.

	18-05-2003 21:42									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Sava film critics are usually snobbish types that generally have unpopular opinions... IIRC... "Titanic" got rave reviews As a 22 year old college student, I feel I can relate to people of my demographic much better than some overpaid pompous asswipe that thought "The Talent Mr. Ripley" was a good movie.

who are you? the bods of movies?

"im just a populest of my generations movie taste"

	18-05-2003 22:46									#99
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree SPOILERS I'm not whooly sold on the idea that Trip has talked about; the "Matrix within a Matrix." I grant that it's possible, but also other things are possible. Like what if the "programs" are lying to him so that he sees his deeds/future as futile and decides against saving Zion since it doesn't really matter. Or the "Six times" that Neo has gone through to meet the Architect; the Architect is mistaken and is itself caught in a loop of "simulations." Or that the Oracle planted a virus into the Architect through Neo causing the Architect to believe certain things and to report fallacies to Neo. There's list's of what if's from here to eternity...... I'm happy overall with the movie, even though I have my own reservations about the plausability of the actions I saw in terms of the plot. Like Neo's sudden ability to "link" with the Sentinals at the end.

You see, that's the thing. The reason he could do that to the Sentinals in the "real world" was because it wasn't real... it's just another Matrix, and Neo can control and change things just like the other Matrix.

	18-05-2003 23:10									#100
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 Sava, i trust educated people who have degrees in literature and film to understand a story better than you.

I actually heard a movie critic say, "I had no idea what they were talking about through the entire movie."

Getting on television does not make you intelligent.

	19-05-2003 01:28									#101
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I loved the movie, I really like how they made the distinction between Architect and Programmer, a lot of people think they're the same.

	19-05-2003 03:12									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Trip You see, that's the thing. The reason he could do that to the Sentinals in the "real world" was because it wasn't real... it's just another Matrix, and Neo can control and change things just like the other Matrix.

This is the sort of thinking that zap-fried my brain the other night.

	19-05-2003 04:59									#103
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All I have to say is; Wow.

	19-05-2003 05:02									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Trip You see, that's the thing. The reason he could do that to the Sentinals in the "real world" was because it wasn't real... it's just another Matrix, and Neo can control and change things just like the other Matrix.

I was getting that feeling too. and since in the matrix, what your mind percieves something to be true is true (like dying in matrix kills you) maybe his doubt that maybe he isnt in the matrix limited him from being godly when he tried to stop the sentinel.

Something like that.

quote: I went insane for about 5 hours the morning after I saw it thinking about things that didn't make any sense.

Hopefully thats soemthing that can be rectified with watching it over again or thru the 3rd installment. Otherwise I'd be pissed.

But why do I have a feeling that this series is just gonna pull one of those "we wont explain anything and leave you walking out scratching ur head"?

	19-05-2003 05:16									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Trip You see, that's the thing. The reason he could do that to the Sentinals in the "real world" was because it wasn't real... it's just another Matrix, and Neo can control and change things just like the other Matrix.

I just saw Matrix and was going to mention in this thread in case no one else had that it appears that Neo discovered that he was in a Matrix within a Matrix.

Interesting act of "self-awareness."

When is the next edition going to be shown? Next summer?

	19-05-2003 05:18									#106
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End of this year. November, I think.

	19-05-2003 06:10									#107
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Since I hate having something ruined for me, I will always give the obligatory...

*** SPOILERS ***

The fun part is in figuring out why there's a second Matrix, and why they programmed a Zion in it at all. Maybe it's not the machines really in control, maybe it's just one person (Neo) who is going through some sort of near-future experiment. Or maybe the whole thing isn't real and it's all just a program.

We'll find out.

	19-05-2003 06:18									#108
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spoiler(highlight to read): This spoiler tag still works...

	19-05-2003 06:25									#109
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spoiler(highlight to read): And so does people's ability to read regular text.

	19-05-2003 06:29									#110
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But regular text isn't designed for spoilers. The spoiler tag is.

	19-05-2003 06:29									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Trip spoiler(highlight to read): And so does people's ability to read regular text.

spoiler(highlight to read): Isn't that the point? Everyone can read regular text, only people who want to specifically can read spoilers

	19-05-2003 06:34									#112
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It's not as though this last page hasn't been filled with a dozen spoilers anyways...

	19-05-2003 06:40									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Since I hate having something ruined for me, I will always give the obligatory... *** SPOILERS *** The fun part is in figuring out why there's a second Matrix, and why they programmed a Zion in it at all. Maybe it's not the machines really in control, maybe it's just one person (Neo) who is going through some sort of near-future experiment. Or maybe the whole thing isn't real and it's all just a program. We'll find out.

it would suck if they laid out groundworks for the story plot and they just went: "Oops oh well it was just a dream/simulations/etc".

BTW, Trip. When you're saying matrix within a matrix... which is inside the other?

	19-05-2003 06:42									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Zero it would suck if they laid out groundworks for the story plot and they just went: "Oops oh well it was just a dream/simulations/etc". BTW, Trip. When you're saying matrix within a matrix... which is inside the other?

The Matrix which we've already seen in the first movie (and most of this one) is embedded within the other Matrix of the "real world," where Zion exists and the big rave/orgy thing took place.

	19-05-2003 06:51									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Trip The Matrix which we've already seen in the first movie (and most of this one) is embedded within the other Matrix of the "real world," where Zion exists and the big rave/orgy thing took place.

why not the other way around? after all Neo was the only person who entered after that whole thing to meet his destiny blah blah stuff.

I say this, cause I would hate to see it be ur way.... explanation listed above.

	19-05-2003 06:53									#116
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When Neo went to meet the Architect, he accessed a hidden program which existed beyond all the fake worlds but could be accessed from the first fake Matrix. They found one doorway through the Matrix after being shown the way by the Keymaker, a program which existed within the first Matrix. It's like instead of playing one of a few different games on a computer through your OS, you decide to access the bios.

	19-05-2003 07:20									#117
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Matrix Reloaded - Reminds me of our typical Save/Reload operations.

	19-05-2003 07:24									#118
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As posted on CFC :

Man, this movie sucked!!!!!!! I liked the original Matrix but this movie was crap. I watched about an hour and forty minutes worth before I left the theater. My GF was curious what happened to Trinity so she stayed a little while longer, she joined me outside about 20-30 minutes later and told me the movie was still going.

Why didn't I like it? It was just boring to me. The characters were flat (mostly too serious), the story was the opposite of captivating, the fight scenes were drawn out and not impressive (yes the technology was impressive but I like "real" fighting like that of a Jackie Chan movie). Oh yeah, and the diologue sucked, phrases such as "Let's go" made up some of the best of it. The whole movie was basically pointless and for show.

Minus four stars from Narz. :

	19-05-2003 07:27									#119
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My advice : take your $10 that the movie would cost and go buy some used books, take your chick out for a cheap meal, buy a bundle of t-shirts for the summer, but don't waste your money on this movie!

	19-05-2003 07:48									#120
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One thing I find strange is when the sentinals attack the hovercraft. They stay just out of range of the EMP field which would destroy them, and instead throw a bomb at the hovercraft. The strange thing is, the "bomb" is a mini-sentinal, an electronic device that can fly on its own guidance, actively seek its targets etc. Why couldn't the EMP field affect them?