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Spitfire. Lovely curved wings.
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
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Originally posted by Albert Speer
but with the corsair, why are the most maneuverable planes universally always the hardest to pilot? I mean the Sopwith Camel and Fokker Triplane back in the first world war were also extremely maneuverable but killed plenty of new pilots especially the Camel. is there something about the structure that provides maneuverability that also makes them hard to fly? |
You've got it. The Camel was a bit of an exception, in that it wasn't aerodynamic design, but excessive torque, that gave it extreme starboard maneuverability - to fly straight and level with it, you had to have a good deal of left rudder and left aileron input to counteract the engine torque. Let go of that and go into neutral stick and rudder, and you were in a right turn. Actually give input to turn right, and you were in a very sharp turn with a lot of wing stress, since the engine torque was helping you along. If you didn't coordinate the turn (i.e. have proper rudder input for the degree of aileron roll), you went straightaway into an almost certainly unrecoverable spin.
The basic nature of a maneuverable aircraft (high lift to weight ratio, aerodynamically large control surfaces, etc.) means that it's inherently unstable in flight.
The turkey shoot results and the Hellcat's overall kill ratio was due almost exclusively to high speed run and gun tactics.
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Ca. USA
Feb 2000
time: 21:28
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Originally posted by Fez
Albert:
Yaks 9 produced: 16,769 (All models, source)
P-51s produced: 7,956 (All models, source)
BF-109 produced: 35,000 (Source
Republic P-47 Thunderbolt produced: 15,677 (source)
Well you are right. But the Americans did produce more overall of different types in total. More capacity to do so.
Also I can't believe the Thunderbolt was left off the poll...
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My source is The World War II Databook by John Ellis.
BF-109 =30,000 all types
A6M2 Zero = 11,720
Spitfire = 20,350 All types
P-51 = 15,470 All types
P-47 = 15,630 All types
Yak 9D = 16,800
Dewoitine D520 =910
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:28
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Joseph:
yes you are right... it was mostly used by the Roumanian Air Force... really odd looking thing. can't imagine it flying anywhere near any of these other planes in this thread
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Joseph
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Feb 2000
time: 21:28
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Originally posted by Master Zen
There was a saying, "The Mustang can't do what the Spitfire can, but it can do it over Berlin". From what I've read the Griffon-engined Spits were better than the Mustang.
I do admit however, that the Mustang was THE plane that contributed most to the demise of the luftwaffe after 1944, thanks to the attrition losses inflicted during the bomber offensive.
Now, for my shameless promo:
I have a website (unfinished) on miltary aviation, this is the link to the ww2 section (the only one semi-complete) but it's got a lot of info and nice pictures:
http://avia.masterzen.net/en/ww2
I also have production stats, I'm sure they also vary, there seems to be slight discrpancies between sources but overall the stats more or less give a good indication of the real production numbers. The 35,000 for the Yak is usually given to reflect the overall Yak series (3/5/7/9) since some people takem them as variants of a single design (which I think is wrong) |
Yak 1 = 8,700
Yak 3 = 4,850
Yak 7 = 6,400
Yak 9D = 16,800
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