25-05-2003 22:32									#61
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So I'm scared now.

Ok, cryptic points. What are you trying to say? When you **** up due to a regime change, try it again?

	25-05-2003 22:37									#62
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Aging lawyer?

	25-05-2003 22:37									#63
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quote: Originally posted by GP Well considering that 80% of the Democrats in the Senate didn't even want to take action in Gulf War 1...

And more than 50% of the country didn't want to go to war either, so apparently the Dem's were better at listening to their consituents.

	25-05-2003 22:39									#65
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Dino, you ****. I'm a BALDING lawyer. I'm still a couple years from aging...

	25-05-2003 22:40									#66
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Iran is democratic like the US is democratic. No matter who you vote for, you get the same old ****. In one country, the government is controled by right-wing religious fundimentalists who own huge portions of the economy. In the other one, the government is controled by right-wing religious fundimentalists who own huge portions of the economy. We should be embracing them as brothers.

	25-05-2003 22:41									#67
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The US is more subtle as it allows dissentive speeches. Of course, the US doesn't allow dissentive actions, but hey, honest Americans have nothing to fear

	25-05-2003 22:44									#68
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We need to controle the poppies and the pistols,to see if we can't starve out some of these warlords.IMO The local Sultan or Mullah is a confederate to the central house hence a Confederacy exist not wholly theocratic.Each cell of the confederacy can raise a malitia from its peoples( our geography notwithstanding.) You'll call me nuts but maybe we should buy the poppies and stockpile opiates,thus denying hostiles some income,while encouraging local
trade,and rebuilding some Afgan economy.Other covert measures?

	25-05-2003 22:45									#69
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Iran is democratic like the US is democratic. No matter who you vote for, you get the same old ****. In one country, the government is controled by right-wing religious fundimentalists who own huge portions of the economy. In the other one, the government is controled by right-wing religious fundimentalists who own huge portions of the economy. We should be embracing them as brothers.

Just one problem - fundies from two different sects.

	25-05-2003 22:45									#70
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Erm, I thought we were talking about Iran ?
Does Iran take a significant chunk of its income from opiates ?

	25-05-2003 22:48									#71
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No, oil.

	25-05-2003 22:49									#72
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I thought so.

	25-05-2003 22:52									#73
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Come on, che and Spiff: don;t become irrelevant like GP. Iran is not as dmneocraticas the US. It is a theocratic republic. Ayatollahs still control the moeans of internal violence, and the conservaitve ones that care more about the thoecratic than the republic part of the state are not shy about using them.

To state that Iran is not ruled by brutal despots is not the same as saying that the Us and Iran are on equal levels.

	25-05-2003 22:53									#74
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I know, I was just fooling around (I am an a fooling around mood, maybe because I want to use all these great spells )

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GP, since you were complaining about Roland´s one liners, let me take up the cudges for him:
I don´t know how many languages you speak. but most likely the only language one is able to elaborate 100% perfectly is one´s mother language. the longer the sentences become, one has to type in a foreign language, the more he will struggle. Roland (and most of the other non American/British posters) certainly know this problem. I´m convinced that these on-liners oftenly aren´t caused by the lack of arguments, but by missing english words or grammar knowledge.

quote: 3. Oh...and things in Germany worked out a lot better after we went in and did the more explicit regime change.

see, I could easily explain, why Iran isn´t comparable to Germany, if we could agree arguing in German language. in English language it would be a struggle for me, and since I´m convinced you know that these two cases can´t be compared anyway, I just leave it.

	25-05-2003 22:56									#76
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*cg pulls GePaps shorts and runs!

	25-05-2003 22:58									#77
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GET BACK HERE YOU LITTLE PUNK!

	25-05-2003 23:04									#78
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quote: Originally posted by oedo I´m convinced that these on-liners oftenly aren´t caused by the lack of arguments, but by missing english words or grammar knowledge.

Unfortunately I'm not quite as eloquent in english as I am in german, but that wouldn't stop me from making long posts. Nor does a lack of arguments.

It's simply the lack of anything posted here that deserves a more elaborate discussion.

	25-05-2003 23:12									#79
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HAHA JUST AS WE THOUGHT!!!

	25-05-2003 23:14									#80
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Or maybe there is something worth debating...

quote: Originally posted by GePap Come on, che and Spiff: don;t become irrelevant like GP. Iran is not as dmneocraticas the US. It is a theocratic republic. Ayatollahs still control the moeans of internal violence, and the conservaitve ones that care more about the thoecratic than the republic part of the state are not shy about using them.

Of course. The question is, however, where does it go from here? The democratic elements in the system are promising IMO.

To fully appreciate that, one has to consider that western democracy is not simple majority rule. We have several elements that, while not being theocratic, are value-based: constitutional rights, first and foremost. While I don't share this view, it is easy to see them as judeo-christian values in enlightenment clothing. And we often have a judiciary that we see as guardians of those values. And the sacrosanct democratic majority is dubbed mob rule when we fundamentally disagree with it.

Our model won't be transplanted 1:1 into the islamic world. It even didn't in Japan or other east asian countries, although their idea of the "state" would make it much easier. So democracy in the islamic world has to take some form of open islam into account - US bombs are a very poor supplement for the 200 or 300 years of learning that the west got when it struggled with its religious questions.

A propos... when England developped its democratic institutions, it had a state religion and the test act. So us westerners should be a bit less condescending on that issue.

	25-05-2003 23:16									#82
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Bye bye.

	25-05-2003 23:17									#83
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OH WOW, LOOK AT ME CHE

I'M AN UNEMPLOYED RETARD WHO DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO CASUALLY MENTION OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN MY POSTS WITHOUT BOLDING IT

TIME TO GO TELL ON ZYLKA!

	25-05-2003 23:17									#85
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Oh, we know at last whose DL Roggan is

	25-05-2003 23:21									#86
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IRAN HAS PLENTY OF UNCLOGGED OIL FOR THE USA TO UTILIZE:

	25-05-2003 23:24									#87
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This looks like a sexual pic.

	25-05-2003 23:25									#88
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@ zylka

	25-05-2003 23:27									#89
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They only hate France because they're ungrateful and can't do anything themselves. What kind of a sad world is that

	25-05-2003 23:29									#90
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quote: according to CIA, Iran is a theocratic republic. I have no idea why anyone should have a problem with it. they even have a women suffrage.

I don't support attacking Iran at this time, but thinking everything is is just peachy and democratic in Iran is wrong