28-05-2003 15:12									#1
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Pretty contentious issue in Britain and Europe, dont know about America, but nonetheless, there is a backlash, certainly in Britain, among established populations against incoming peoples, refugees, asylum seekers. The common cries of "their stealing all our jobs", all the way to racist generalisations like "they stink", "theyre ugly", etc, are often heard when people talk about these people. The support for the far right in this nation is disturbingly high at the moment.

Political parties like the fascist British National Party, who have many neo-nazi members, have ridden on the back of this simplistic backlash among the population, and have reached a level of support that is worrying those in government, and frightening those in ethnic minorities.

My opinion is that these views are unfounded, conservative, ethnocentric, prejudiced, and often downright racist.

Britain needs incoming people. Less people are being born, while more and more are getting old. There are young people to support more old people, and this workforce situation could get out of hand. When one has young, often skilled, often educated people coming in to help, then this is surely greatly beneficial to the economy.

Lets not forget the value of cultural integration. Britain is a story of this, from the orginal Iberian settlers, to the Celts, the the Romans, to the Picts, the Welsh, the Irish, to the Angles, the Saxons, the Vikings and the French in 1066. Lately, there have been people coming in from the age of empire. Integration helps ones own culture.

Also consider that the people coming are human, and equally human as those already living here. Why treat them like animals, or prisoners, when they have committed no crime, and have the same capacity as others.

I cannot help but fear that peoples reactions are based on a form of inbuilt racism that starts an inherently hostile reaction to anyone with a different coloured skin. If the people coming in were Germans or Americans, then I doubt we would have this reaction (even though they have less reason to be here than people from poorer countries).

I want to see a big shift to accepting asylum seekers, relaxing the rules which are stupidly tough at the moment, as they are better for this nation, better for the economy, and better for the British people as a whole!

	28-05-2003 15:16									#2
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We should admit people into this country who are refugees as defined by the UN convention. We also need more workers and we need to encourage immigration for this puropse.

Oh and the BNP are scum

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	28-05-2003 15:16									#3
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This seems to be influenced by the economy as well.

	28-05-2003 15:19									#4
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"We should admit people into this country who are refugees as definded by the UN vonvention. We also need more workers and we need to encorage immigration for this puropse"

That is true, but I think we should be a little more lenient on illegal asylum seekers. Apart from the fact that all asylum seekers in society are tarred with the same brush of being illegal, theyre here now, we might as well make use of them. Of course, if theyre here for ludicrous reasons, then tougher measures for sure.

	28-05-2003 15:20									#5
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"Oh and the BNP are scum"

Very true imo. You may see a lot of BNP people wearing T-shirts with the number "88". H is the 8th letter of the alphabet, HH is a contraction of "Heil Hitler".

	28-05-2003 15:32									#6
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I think letting foreign peoples enjoy the benefits of freedom and capitalism is the least a government can do to try and make up for hundreds of years of imperialism.

	28-05-2003 15:34									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I think letting foreign peoples enjoy the benefits of freedom and capitalism is the least a government can do to try and make up for hundreds of years of imperialism.

Sava I am gonna be really impressed if you can turn every thread into an attack against imperallism

	28-05-2003 15:35									#8
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Yeah, Mcdonna is a product of imperialist inbreeding

	28-05-2003 15:37									#9
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger Sava I am gonna be really impressed if you can turn every thread into an attack against imperallism

Considering imperialism is the cause for so many problems, it's not really a thread-jack per se. I'm in a particularly snotty mood today. Read my thread on what happened to me last night and you'll understand.

	28-05-2003 15:37									#10
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quote: cannot help but fear that peoples reactions are based on a form of inbuilt racism that starts an inherently hostile reaction to anyone with a different coloured skin. If the people coming in were Germans or Americans, then I doubt we would have this reaction (even though they have less reason to be here than people from poorer countries).

The majority of people arriving here are white.

	28-05-2003 15:40									#11
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Personally, I can't understand xenophobia (or a lot of other phobia's, but that's a different discussion). I mean, these people obviously like your country so much that they are willing to sacrifice a lot to get there. Immigrants work hard, enjoy freedom, democracy, and other related ideals; and want a better future for their kids. What's there to be afraid of?

On second thought, I think we should be suspicious of anyone who wants to live in Britain.

	28-05-2003 15:49									#12
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Well obviously to US citizens who after all live in the promised land the UK is rubbish, but to ther people it is a decent place

	28-05-2003 16:06									#13
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I'm just not a fan of the weather.

And believe me, the UK isn't really that bad. You could be living in Texas.

	28-05-2003 17:20									#14
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quote: Originally posted by elijah "Oh and the BNP are scum" Very true imo. You may see a lot of BNP people wearing T-shirts with the number "88". H is the 8th letter of the alphabet, HH is a contraction of "Heil Hitler".

I was aware of combat 18, but 88 just makes me think of bingo's two fat ladies.

	28-05-2003 17:24									#15
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it's supposed to mean 'SS'.

but then, why not use '55'?!

silly nazis.

I think that the majority of the backlash in not due to the issues of race, but due to issues of culture, and indeed, your governments are not doing enough to integrate your immigrants.

	28-05-2003 17:26									#16
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The immigrants aren't doing enough to integrate themselves.

They should support England (since that's the British country where most 'grunts end up) in sporting events, for example.

	28-05-2003 17:27									#17
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This is a very small aspect of integration.

	28-05-2003 17:30									#18
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But a very good proxy for all the other aspects, it seems.

	28-05-2003 17:30									#19
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Could be.

	28-05-2003 17:31									#20
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Boddington, I fail to see how their interests and affections in sports has to do with anything.

	28-05-2003 17:32									#21
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It's that they see themselves as primarily foreign, and a member of this country's society somewhere down the list.

They should see themselves as British.

	28-05-2003 17:33									#22
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from what I heard the BNP is the only british party with any concern for the working classes, especially the religious poor...

anyway, why are immigrants coming to England? See here in the US, things are quite different as first of all, most immigrants have no intention of being Americans... they only come here for a few years to make some money then go back home... and the other thing is, we have hordes of illegal immigrants who also got no intention of being Americans but basically want to gain economically (even though they work minimum wage or below it's still more then they'd make in their countries).

my opinion is that if you got no intention of being an american, don't bother coming here. otherwise, you're just taking jobs from the American poor and middle class...

sometimes i got the feeling that the leftist elite in america (and probably england too) are just trying to destroy the poor and lower middle class by denying them jobs and giving all the jobs to some foreigners.

	28-05-2003 17:36									#23
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With that logic a person that moves from for example Sunderland to Liverpool has to switch sympaties from Sunderland to Liverpool/Everton. That's absurd. People should be able to define themselves as whatever they want. You don't have to be assimilated to be integrated.

	28-05-2003 17:37									#24
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"anyway, why are immigrants coming to England?"

Some free and not having to work.

	28-05-2003 17:37									#25
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I think you wanted to use the smiley.

	28-05-2003 17:40									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer from what I heard the BNP is the only british party with any concern for the working classes, especially the religious poor...

Sorry I'm not sure if you are joking or not.

But on the basis you are not.

Thats Bollocks, the BNP are racist facists who wouldn't know a coherent policy if it sig heiled itself in their collective ignorant faces.

	28-05-2003 17:40									#27
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Spink:

i swore you used to be somewhat of a leftist but since you became Nimrod/Boddingtons you're a far-rightist. what happened?

	28-05-2003 17:41									#28
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"i swore you used to be somewhat of a leftist but since you became Nimrod/Boddingtons you're a far-rightist. what happened?"

Everyone is centre-left during their teens. Some people just grow out of quicker than others, I guess.

	28-05-2003 17:42									#29
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i dont know... thats what the political compass site said... that basically with Labour turning capitalist and the socialist partys becoming very socially liberal, all the religious poor only had the BNP as their voice.

	28-05-2003 17:43									#30
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Spink:

Everyone is a center-leftist in their teens?