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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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Thestinger:
it's the site that people on this site always put up... www.politicalcompass.org i think maybe... i'm a far right winger so after the test, it tells me, "Learn more about the far right" and it goes into detail there.
thanks
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Liberal and defender of freedoms for the people
Oct 1999
time: 05:28
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IMMIGRATION - time to say NO!
On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.
EUROPE - back to British independence!
We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket - political unification. Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore Britain’s family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home.
LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime!
The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed.
ECONOMY - British workers first!
Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes.
EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement!
We are against the ‘trendy’ teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain.
AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity!
We see a strong, healthy agriculture sector as vital to the country. Britain's farming industry will be encouraged to produce a much greater part of the nation's need in food products. Priority will be switched from quantity to quality, as we move from competing in a global economy to maximum self-sufficiency for Britain. We will ensure a major shift to healthier and more sustainable organic farming. We are pledged to ensure the restoration of Britain's once great fishing industry with the reimposition of the former exclusion zones around our coast.
HEALTH - first-class healthcare for all!
We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens. We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention – low pay. We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them. More emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets.
TRANSPORT - time to invest!
Increased investment is needed in Britain’s public transport system to bring it up to the highest standards in the world. The fiasco of rail privatisation with different companies running services and track leading to higher fares and lower safety also needs to be resolved. Congestion of our towns and cities must be eased by the provision of greater incentives to use rail and bus transport instead of private cars. The first step is to end the crime and squalor that puts so many people off public transport. Motorists must not be made the scapegoats for government failure. Fuel tax should be cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be banned. Far more must be done to encourage the development and use of cleaner fuels.
ENVIRONMENT - NO to pollution!
Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and a more human scale.
FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people!
We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain.
PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers!
The conditions in which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live are a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care.
NORTHERN IRELAND - NO to sectarianism!
Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in N.I. to come close to winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a share in government. We would end all attempts to force the people of Northern Ireland to accept foreign interference in their affairs and deal with terrorism – from whatever side – once and for all. No one with links to a terrorist organisation that refuses to lay down its arms should be allowed to enter government. We would abolish state-supported segregation in education. In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the nations of the British Isles.
DEFENCE - no more cuts!
Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain’s armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britain’s armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peace-keeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake – a position of armed neutrality. We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service.
FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britain's interests first!
Britain’s foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations’ internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests. We will maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the ‘international community’, or any other country.
DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide!
The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored and overridden by a Politically Correct ‘élite’ which thinks it knows best. On immigration, on Capital Punishment, on the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer the British people no real choice on such vital issues. The BNP exists to give the British people, that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, not just at national but at regional and local level. Power should be devolved to the lowest level possible so that local communities can make decisions which affect them. We will remove legal curbs on freedom of speech imposed by successive Governments over the last 40 years. We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly accountable to the people who elect it. |
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Park Avenue
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Liberal and defender of freedoms for the people
Oct 1999
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I have a couple of issues with their economics, but politically rhey are superb.
For those of you that dub the BNP racist.
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Frequently Asked Questions Q: Where do you stand on racial attacks?
A: Racist attacks are wrong, plain and simple. The majority of racist attacks in this country are committed against white British people, contrary to the image that the anti-British mass media portray. If a race-attack takes place, and the victim is black or Asian, the result is an endless media circus, howls of condemnation against the perpetrators, and more calls for repressive crusades against supposed ‘racism’. If a race-attack takes place, and the victim is white, the result is usually total silence. No condemnation, no media fanfare, total silence. By contrast, the BNP condemns all racial attacks, including those on non-whites. It is not the fault of individuals that they are in our country, and the answer to the problems caused by mass immigration must be solved by democratic political change, not by violence. |
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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alright so the BNP is basically moderately leftist on economics and far right wing socially...
i got a feeling that if there was a BNP in America (one whose high nationalism was not racist [because American patriotism transcends race]), that it would do pretty good among all the Baptist Appalachian and Southern union workers...
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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Boddington:
I think the BNP is basically ultra-nationalist but because Britian is a racial country (made up of ethnic British), they got a natural tendency towards racism.
i do wonder about their stance on people of foreign descent whose family has been there since the turn of the century. The grandson of an Indian immigrant and what not...
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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its interesting though how the American equivalent to the BNP would probably be the Populists of the late 1800's... they were very popular and had gotten support across all racial lines but white southern voters who otherwise would have been very populistic did not vote for them as the populists had shown support for blacks so racism destroyed the american version of this party.
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of frogs
Jun 2000
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I am against mass immigration. I have nothing against small one - I eat in Vietnameese restaurants mostly, and I apreciate their presence here. But when immigrants of one group are counted in millions, like in France, and their natural growth shows that they'll be a majority in years, there's something wrong - especially if they do not asimilate in the society at all. What happened on France vs Algeria match shows what I mean.
Immigrants can cause internal problems -of their fault or not. Natural growth of your own nation won't.
What intrigues me the most are the "no people are illegal" men. If someone enters your state without permission, He is a criminal and as such He should be treated - if someone entered your house, claiming You have enough room for him and so, You should share it with him, would You be happy and let him in?
Another thing is that most of people coming to USA or Europe aren't political emmigrants of their countries, as they claim - they are economical ones.
Moreover, accepting emigrants from some state won't help it. Some will send money to their state, making their new one poorer, but it's not the thing. I think richer states should try to help the poorer ones in enriching, not accepting new immigrants - because it won't solve the problems of those poorer states.
Anyway, immigration can truely be a kind of conquest-
I think that mr Pim was right - only people who accept local laws and traditions and there is a chance for them to become an integral part of the society should be allowed in.
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
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" i do wonder about their stance on people of foreign descent whose family has been there since the turn of the century. The grandson of an Indian immigrant and what not"
According to a documentary I watched a while back on Channel 4 on the BNP, my father, as a Jewish Indian (Portugese descent), myself and my brothers, would be encouraged to go to India. I have never been to india myself, and consider myself British, and more Iberian by descent and appearance than anything else. Not sure about 3rd generation. Someone said a while back on a documentary that if you appear white, you should stay. How messed up is that?
Anyway, the BNP's arguments... here we go:
Immigration. They automatically will kick out illegitimate asylum seekers, but what is most disturbing is the encouragement for legal asylum seekers to move out. That implies that they do not want ethnic minorities in this country, but cannot find a legal loophole to kick them out forcefully. Undoubtably, if they ever achieve power, they will attempt to change that, of course, that is speculation, but it is clear that they do not want ethnic minorities in this nation.
The idea that white people will become a minority is both misguided and ludicrous. Immigration is so high at the moment because of turbulent international conditions, following the end of the cold war, a polarisation of wealth distribution and the perceived receptiveness of Britain/Europe. None of these factors, and others, are permanent. By that time, minorities should become established in the British community. The idea of perceiving them as a different race would be like blondes perceiving brunettes as a different race. Its purely subjective, geocentric and ethnocentric.
Nonetheless, we need asylum seekers, as my initial post says.
Europe. Economically helps British business and travel. Helps us to break down our island mentality that may have been useful in the time of Napoleon, but not today. The arguments against further European integration seem to be based on prejudice, the fallacy of the nationstate, and the issue of sovereignty. All of which are irrational, illogical, and idiotic to be used to govern a nation! The reasons for further integration with Europe are economic and (imo) philosophical. It is breaking down an ancient barrier of the nationstate, that was forged when we all warred against each other. Now we cooperate and are better off for it. Keeping that barrier in place simply because people have some emotional attachment to it, is damaging in the long term. Ironically, further integration with Europe will help reduce immigration (one of the downsides), as nations can cooperate in inter-border policing.
"we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency"
With a population of 58ish million (the vast majority of whom are white incidentally), and a small island with limited resources, its not going to happen. Britain couldnt even be self sufficient during WWII, when the population was about half what it is today. And that was with highly intense farming. Those nationalists will have the bite the bullet and accept that this country is dependent on others for its survival. This is one big internaitonal society, a community of all of humanity, and the basis of community is cooperation.
Law and order. What I have classified under the Mill Limit as a tyranny by majority, the BNP would further enhance. A form of vigilante rule. Punitive measures have their place, but in more limited forms than today. I prefer the idea of helping criminals become productive members of society through rehabilitation and re-education, rather than pointless incarceration, or in this case, execution. I believe that the justice system should not succumb to the subjective, punative, revenge-based vigilantism that the British people have a tendency to promote, like the paedophile witch hunts where innocent people got severly beaten, others traumatised etc. These crimes, terrible as they are, should be dealt with objectively and with clearness and fairness, in court! The people obviously need help, so they should get it.
"We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly"
Which is code for targetting black and asian people as they are more prone to crime. One fails to mention that that is caused by education, history of persecution (both perceived and actual), and of course poverty.
"The liberal fixation with the 'rights' of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims"
It must be BALANCED. This kind of state-sponsored vigilantism or police state mentality is best described as idiocy.
"e support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers"
Doesnt really deserve consideration does it? Corporal punishment? What about human rights? Everyone is human, there are only certain rights that it is productive to take away. Revenge is irrelevant. Capital punishment well, I wont go too much into that as some people here may support it, but the arguments against are exaggerated forms of the above, in other words, a belated, thus irrelevant and disproportionate removal of rights. Also a waste to society as these people can be re-habbed.
With regards to the economy, that is an area best left to economists and businessmen, not politicians. Obviously, when business gets too big, monopolistic and damaging, steps should be taken to dissolve it, but only when it starts hurting humans, the economic conditions are down to business itself, includign a nations economy. Economists can run the economy much better than racist pub-dwelling idiots.
Education.
"We are against the 'trendy' teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe"
I dont see the link between those two things. I also dont believe that we are one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. If he means that we are behind France and Germany, and other liberal nations, then we should increase spending to education, and in that respect, emulate the liberal nature of those nations. Technological, industrical and other "pragmatic" (suited to economy) based education is all very well, and needed, but it is equally important to have other subjects as well. Education is not merely about jobs. It is also about (among other things), being able to challenge and formulate ideas, and see through poor reasoning like the BNP's, or indeed most of the far right. Also the usual about expanding minds etc.
Farming is hardly a big issue, nor are they being contentious on it, so I'm not going to address it. However, like I said, we will never even come close to self-sufficiency. Especially with their apparent environmental concerns  .
"We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens"
Not a quantum leap to say that they oppose asylum seekers getting free health.
The health policy seems reasonable, yet the money spent on foreign aid is not a high proportion of GDP and would not affect healthcare spending much. More on that later.
I agree with most of their transport policy, however, I think we should increase fuel and vehicle tax costs to encourage more to use the trains. The speed cameras, used sensibly and liberally, is a good idea.
With regards to pensioners, it is entirely possible to have good pensioners conditions, and asylum seekers, and also the latter benefits the former, as if they are allowed to work, then there is a larger workforce, thus more tax, thus more available for spending.
With regards to defence, peace keeping ops are crucial in international security, as well as moral situations where as one of the worlds richest and most powerful countries, we should try to help those less fortunate. I favour a more streamlined approach, where the armed forces are further cut back, but are better trained and deployed in peacekeeping operations, rather than oriented for a cold-war threat. Their policies are needless in that respect. We do not need a large military, but we do need a good one. As such, small and efficient is the way to go.
Foreign policy. It is advisable for us to actually help other nations, as always in the long term, it will in fact be in our interests! You fail to help them, theyre going to end up poorer and a refugee situation will occur. While that is good for Britain it is not good for those countries who are in more need of economic growth than we are. Our national interest? We are just one nation. We are all humans. There is nothing holy about "Britain" or any other nation. We should aim to help those nations who need it, as such symbiosis ultimately helps all, and prevents suffering in the world. Compared to those in Ethiopia without food, the 12 million in that country that cannot feed themselves or their children, the suffering of someone who has their wall graffittied seems insignificant.
Some of their democracy stuff may appear good, but the rhetoric disguises an adherence to the principles of tyranny by majority and state sponsored vigilantism in some cases (i.e. crime).
This is an example of the democracy fallacy. A clearer example would be a pilot taking a poll of the passengers to see if he should make an emergency landing. The idea of democracy is that one delegates power to an elected government. In the interim, it is up to the government to give the people those rights to decide, although obviously in important issues, it is prudent to take the peoples views on board.
With regards to what they said about racism, that passage is misguiding because it fails to show that the majority of racist attacks are on white people. I do not believe that attacks on white people by other ethnic groups are classified as racist, so they are speculating on that one. Also, attacks on a minority by a majority is more disturbing, because it shows a general lack of acceptance. Attacks by a minority on the majority often show that they feel threatened, isolated and powerless, in a land where they have the same right to power as everyone else. Those words may appear high and mighty, but on the ground, the BNP is riding a wave of racism, and many of its members are racists, many of whom are holocaust deniers. There was an in-depth documentary on them a while ago, and I found it quite frankly disturbing, the views of the people behind those words.
In short, the BNP is stupid!   
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28-05-2003 17:45
). If man simply stayed were he was, we would stagnate. Long live long voyages and finding new lands! The last thing we need is to breed new Bods...
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