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ManicStarSeed
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of my banana plantation
Jun 2002
time: 21:28
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nbarclay, I understand what you are saying, but it is all a matter of style. You respect being presented with a finished plan to consider. By offering one, you project the respect that you expect. To many (who do not operate like you) it can come across as dictorial and overbearing without the right approach. Simply stated, your proposal is too much too soon and it would appear that we are trying to push something through......
A wizard just doesn't walk up to a werebear's home along with 13 dwarves and a hobbit and expect to be welcome.
Did you read the hobbit?
There was a part where Gandalf knew of a werebear named Beorn, and Gandalf & Company needed real help. He also knew of Beorn's fickel temperment. The plan was that Gandalf and Bilbo first go up to the houseand break the ice with a story while a pair of dwarves show up after every 5 minute interval. The story started simple but Gandalf used several words & phrases like "a couple of my companions" and "several" then eventuall used the term "a dozen birds" in some fir trees. All the while the dwarvs kept coming and Beorn was so interested and becomming attached to the outcome of the story (through teh interuptions of teh arriving dwarvs), He really no longer cared about the inconveience of having to host 13 dwarves, a hobbit and a wizard.
Now that was a story (canned outcome), and this is more real thus subject to be different, but the diplomatic lesson is the same. Do not overwhelm at first. Build gradually and shape the discussion so that befor you know it, the eggs find themselves breaking themselves for your omlette experience.
Our proposal assumes a willingness to even discuss the core issue..... We tend to assume too much because we tend to feel that we know best, gamewise. We at least come across as such (assumptive and aggrognt), This what I am trying to change.
Are they willing to leave for peace? Let them ask..."what do you have in mind".... If they are not willing to leave, then we know what we must do. No need to provide details without a willingness to consider the core issue.
Mss
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ManicStarSeed
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of my banana plantation
Jun 2002
time: 21:28
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We need each ambassador to check in with each civ (RP,Lego, ND, GoW) and ask whether they want Vox to survive or not. If they want them to survive, do they know of a patch of land that Vox can occupy? or... Are they willing to share a land mass with Vox?
You can let them know that we are on the determined to realizing manifest destiny and are looking for ways to end this that will allow Vox to survive.
Also, you can say that Vox is aware that we want them off the continent, but have not discussed the issue (implementation) further with them. We are waiitring to hear from Vox to see if they would entertain the idea.
Ideally we want to understand the global perspective regarding Vox's surival and the global willingness to accomidate it. By doing this, we act as a member of the global community by giving all the nations a stake outcome of this war. The world can either make room for Vox or the can let them die, but in the end, the world will have a say. They can either watch them die or make room... They can either put up or shut up.....
We are looking to get some answers back before RPs next turn, just in case we can find a solution/proposal that we want to offer Vox.
Mss
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nbarclay
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Huntsville, Alabama
Dec 1999
time: 23:28
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MSS, your earlier post didn't even come close to making it clear that the only way we would accept peace is if they leave the continent. I think you're making too big a jump all at once. I suggested in another thread that I send the following, and it seems to have gotten a pretty good reaction from the team:
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I hate to say it, but doves in the lands of Gathering Storm are an endangered species right now. The hawks outnumber them enormously. We are now within sight of total victory, and while we would like to get back into builder mode as quickly as possible, spending the rest of the game wondering when and how Vox might betray us again isn't worth it. The deception you used to set up your invasion was superb, but the price of such a well-executed deception is that it makes further trust next to impossible.
Vox's only real hope of survival, if you consider it worth taking, would be to evacuate this continent and find somewhere else to live (if a suitable place can be found). If you are interested in that, we could negotiate some time for you to do so and take enough with you that you can get going in your new location reasonably quickly. Otherwise, I don't see how a peace treaty would be possible.
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08-06-2003 13:52
), but I think we need to get a little self-strict here... we need a FAM, or the equivalent, who is the one official voice of GS. This can be a very good thing, as it allows multiple points of contact with the proviso / 'give' that nothing is official until the FAM says so.
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