13-06-2003 23:39									#1
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It's here.
Nathan needs to take care of some popups first.
I can't see what's going on in Inchon yet, only that it is still ours... however, Eli did mention to me that they've had remarkable successes attacking Inchon (sounds like luck was on their side). Let's hope not too remarkable.

	13-06-2003 23:43									#2
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Really? That sucks.

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 00:12									#3
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Tremendously.

At least we can comfort ourselves with the thought that it was mostly luck that brought them into this position. Our pikes were fortified, behind walls and on hills (6.75 defense, if I'm not mistaken - 1.685 times more than Vox's attack strength).

	14-06-2003 00:18									#4
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Yeah, 6.75 is right. So if they merely killed 1 for 1, they got really lucky.

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 00:18									#5
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'Remarkable' is all relative I guess. We'll see.

On a side note, it might spell the demise of their core to have stopped to play at Inchon. Do they still have Dissidentville or did they gift it away?

	14-06-2003 00:23									#6
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Shiber, could you send it?

	14-06-2003 00:25									#7
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I'll send it to the usual suspects, but I understand that you can't go through the pre-production stage yourselves (or if you do, you must not tell us what you see until Nathan goes through it himself).

	14-06-2003 00:32									#8
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It's in the gatheringstorm@softhome.net account.

	14-06-2003 00:43									#9
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Forget someting

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	14-06-2003 00:48									#10
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alva, blank that info out until Nathan makes the production phase moves, please. It could influence what we do.

Damn, now I've seen it too.

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 00:53									#11
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Don't read this, very important if you want to continue the discussion

spoiler(highlight to read): Btw, screw Inchon, if we could get Elipolis this turn.

Sorry SR, I did this on Arrians advice
alva,

	14-06-2003 00:58									#12
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How many pikes did we have in Inchon to begin with?

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 01:11									#13
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Stats, as of last turn (350 BC):

Forces in Inchon: 6 pikes, 2 elite WCs, 1 Medinf.
Inchon-9: 3 cats, 3 healthy vet immortals, 1 injured vet, 1 reg pike.
Inchon-6: 3 pikes, 5 reg immortals, 2 vet immortals.
Inchon-332: 1 vet pike, 2 reg immortals, 1 vet warrior, 1 reg warrior.

	14-06-2003 01:18									#14
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We could find out some about the status of Inchon (at the very least, our surviving garrison and a rough idea of current Voxian numbers) legitimately by going into the city view from the EotS production pop-up and tabbing backward to Inchon. If someone wants to go ahead and do that and post the results, they're welcome to. It might also be worth seeing what's visible from Inchoff's city view.

	14-06-2003 01:43									#15
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I didn't think of that.
I'll go and do it right now.

	14-06-2003 01:47									#16
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Stats:

Inside Inchon: cat, healthy elite pike, injured (2HP) vet pike. Oh, and no leaders
Outside Inchon: 3: 2 units, 9 & 6: max pips (8 or more units on each tile).

	14-06-2003 01:59									#17
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Presumably, the injured vet is one we unloaded last turn, while the elite is one that was already fortified. We'll probably need to pull back the force we landed outside Elipolis to defend Inchon, but we'll know more when we get into the turn proper. By the way, are our walls still up?

Also, I'm inclined to switch Hurricane to a pike this turn since we just lost six of the things.

	14-06-2003 02:11									#18
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Walls: yes.

	14-06-2003 04:01									#19
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Yeah, agreed, Nathan. Switch Hurricane to a pike. Damnit.

Can we rush a unit in Inchon?

Damnit!

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 04:06									#20
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quote: Can we rush a unit in Inchon?

We have no shields, but rushing a worker first, then switching to a pike and rushing (same turn)would could us 160 G instaeds of 240G

	14-06-2003 04:38									#21
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MOFO!!!!

I never thought of that!

Edit: So never, EVER rush from 0 anything but a Worker. I obviously usually don;t rush from scratch anyway, but I've usually seeded by disbanding. Is it just me, or is this a new trick?

	14-06-2003 04:40									#22
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Never thought of what? Using a worker to short rush?

Really? I do that all the time in SP.

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 04:42									#23
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Well how come you never told me??!!

	14-06-2003 04:46									#24
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I never do any of these tactics in SP (shortrushing either), but I guess there fare game in MP.
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Don't really know if you do this Nathan, but when going through the production fase, do you switch workers to benefit shields again?
IE using top tiles (shielded cow/forest game etc.) for more then one city.
It's not always possible, since you can only go to the next city in line (the previous ones will have gotten their shield production calculated already)

	14-06-2003 04:51									#25
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Isn't that an exploit?

	14-06-2003 04:55									#26
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Negative, ghostrider, the pattern is full.

Sorry, wierd Top Gun quote I always use for no reason.

Anyway, no, I don't believe it's an exploit at all.

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 04:56									#27
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I ask you, is short-rushing an exploit?

There are all borderline to me, but unlike the AI, others can learn and use these themselves.
Can't really answer your question I'm affraid

That's why I said, I never use any of these in SP games.

	14-06-2003 05:01									#28
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I have the save open now.

Regarding whether or not to rush a pike, (presumably using the short-rush trick), as much as I hate to do it, I think we probably should. Vox still has their cats, and our walls are down, meaning that Vox has a good shot at pinging a pike or two. And based on last turn's Voxian deployments, they could easily have a fresh veteran and three fresh regular immortals in position to strike. In addition, some immortals from last turn may have avoided injury, especially attacking injured pikes. A rushed pike this turn would give us a second healthy fortified pike and two healthy unfortified ones (assuming we pull back the forces we'd hoped to use in a deep strike) before Vox starts getting shots at MedInfs.

On the other hand, if we unload galleys in the city, we can get a couple cat shots and maybe ping one regular immortal and then take out a second with a MedInf. We can also unload in Inchoff, cross the mountain to take out a regular pike Vox has sitting on the road, and then, next turn, hit Vox from behind with whatever is left of our five vet MedInfs in that landing. (And hit them with MedInfs and WCs from Inchon as well.) So Vox could soon find the tide turned very much against them.

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	14-06-2003 05:08									#29
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Let's rush the pike.

We can't be too careful.

The Random Number God was angry with us this past turn. Though I hope IT will be kinder next turn, I'm not counting on it.

It never rains but it pours.

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 05:09									#30
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Note: what I said above depends on whether we consider using a worker to short-rush something else as legitimate or not.