14-06-2003 05:12									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Well how come you never told me??!!

I'm sure it's been discussed before, either here, on the strategy forum, or both. Otherwise, I wouldn't have known about it before now either.

	14-06-2003 05:19									#32
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OK, I must not have been paying attention. (I've gotta put into one of the threads for newer players).

So yeah, definitely a Worker/Pike rush.

	14-06-2003 05:21									#33
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It's an old CivII thing... being a CivII player, I just knew about it from the start.

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 05:23									#34
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Okay, is that all we want to do in the production phase this turn? (Edit: I've already switched Hurricane to a pike.)

	14-06-2003 05:24									#35
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F*ck, I didn;t know about in Civ2 either... all that gold wasted.

	14-06-2003 05:25									#36
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Nathan.

Theseus... sorry, man

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 05:29									#37
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Production phase completed.

	14-06-2003 05:31									#38
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You learn something new every day.

BTW, has anybody noticed that Beta has gotten me a little pumped?

	14-06-2003 05:40									#39
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Voxian deployments:

Threatening Inchon:

Inchon 8: One vet pike, one regular pike.
Inchon 9: One vet pike, one regular pike, one 1/4 vet pike, one 1/4 immortal, and three cats.
Inchon 6: One vet pike, one healthy elite immortal, two healthy regular immortals, a 2/5 immortal, two 2/4 immortals, a 1/4 immortal, a vet warrior, and a regular warrior.
Inchon 3: One vet and one regular immortal.

Nearby:

Inchon 3-3: One vet spear and one vet warrior.
Inchoff 7-4: One regular pike. (They're vacating the Inchoff area.)
Elipolis: A vet spear plus unknown others.

Note that at the moment, we cannot see Inchon 3-3-2, so it's possible that Vox may have something there.

Other:

Dissidentville 7: One regular pike.
Dissidentville: One veteran pike plus (maybe) unknown others.

	14-06-2003 05:44									#40
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We have a galley at I2 with a MedInf and a cat on it. My thought is to unload that in the city, hit the immortals at I3 with both cats, and attack whichever of those units comes out the first defender with the MedInf. Also, pull back the forces by Elipolis to defend Inchon, pillaging the road with a WC before it loads.

	14-06-2003 05:45									#41
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Also, shall I go ahead and take out the pike near Inchoff with the forces on our eastern galley?

	14-06-2003 05:47									#42
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One other question for the turn: Do we want to found a city in the eastern desert with the settler we built a while back? (By the way, on a related note, I'm switching Cyclone back to settler production if that's okay.)

	14-06-2003 05:47									#43
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What do we have in Inchon right now that can attack? Anything?

We had a med inf & 2 WCs in there, right?

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 05:48									#44
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Yeah, let's hit the immortals.

Oh, I wish we had enough strike power to do more damage with!

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 05:53									#45
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We have no attack troops in Inchon at the moment, but we have two MedInfs in galleys that can unload and then attack.

I just thought of an alternative possibility if we want to risk it. If we can ping the pike at I6 down a point, that should give us a shot at Vox's uninjured elite immortal. (3x3 is 9 and 5x2 is 10, so taking a hit point off the pike should expose the immortal if I understand correctly.)

	14-06-2003 05:55									#46
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Would there be a chance we can take Elipolis leaving the offensive units where they are and pulling the pikes back.

	14-06-2003 05:58									#47
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I went ahead and hit Vox's pike near Inchoff. Got 'im with the first MedInf, and we didn't even take any damage. That gives us five healthy MedInfs there to attack with next turn unless Vox pillages the road we'd need to cross (in which case we'd kill their pillager but nothing else).

	14-06-2003 06:05									#48
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BTW, Vox has an elite Immortal (full health :angry, I sure hope they don't get as lucky as us, don't really feel like taking down an pike army.

	14-06-2003 06:07									#49
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quote: Originally posted by alva Would there be a chance we can take Elipolis leaving the offensive units where they are and pulling the pikes back.

Vox has, at a minimum, one fortified vet spear and two unfortified vet spears in Elipolis. They probably have at least one vet warrior, and possibly other units. So a fight for Elipolis would be a close one.

What we might want to do is go ahead and launch our attacks around Inchon and see what happens. If we can knock off or seriously weaken Vox's two strongest immortals there, we could consider taking a shot at Elipolis and proceeding beyond that only if we win the first battle there.

	14-06-2003 06:08									#50
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How can we screw up / possibly capture their Cats?

	14-06-2003 06:09									#51
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Do we want to hit the I6 stack with cats and see if we can get a shot at the elite immortal?

	14-06-2003 06:14									#52
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The elite immortal is a tasty target, but so are those catapults, any chance we can get 'em?

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 06:15									#53
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Nathan- could you please send me the sav.?

How many units did we lose exactly, and how many Vox did?

	14-06-2003 06:17									#54
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quote: How can we screw up / possibly capture their Cats?

We would need to plow through:
1 vet pike
1 reg pike
+
1 pike 1hp
1 Im 1hp
all unfortified (and sacrifice our last attacking unit )

	14-06-2003 06:19									#55
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Too many units with the cats, and not enough of our own units available. That was about the first thing I checked, believe it or not. (Edit: It would technically be theoretically possible if we'd use pikes offensively against a 1hp pike and immortal and we'd win against both pikes, but that could bite us awfully hard if luck is against us - and our first three attackers would be subject to being pinged by cats.)

	14-06-2003 06:20									#56
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Save's on the way, Zeit. If Shiber missed anyone else, let me know.

	14-06-2003 06:32									#57
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Shiber sent it to our mail addres

	14-06-2003 06:42									#58
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Thanks Nathan

Boy, we really are screwed up on Inchon.

Any idea on how to save the situation?

	14-06-2003 06:44									#59
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Looks worse then it is, I'm sure what there losses were though.

	14-06-2003 06:46									#60
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Ok, Nathan, I figured you'd thought of it.

So given what you've told me, I concur: go for the elite immortal.

-Arrian