14-06-2003 10:07									#121
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Very well.

Did you arrange our units as you intended?

Any other moves to discuss?

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 10:09									#122
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Oooh, I wonder if we just hurt them in the unit upkeep department? Probably not, because we killed 3? units and took 1 size <6 city, huh?

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 10:10									#123
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I'd like to go ahead and switch us over to builder mode. With Vox's GA over and the kind of superiority we have now (especially after Vox's losses in the last couple turns), I think we can finish Vox off with the units we have. And the lack of city improvements is really going to mess us up in terms of research and finances once our GA ends in another turn or two.

	14-06-2003 10:12									#124
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Even with the losses we've taken?

Aren't we a little low on units that can kill pikemen (of which they have several)?

Believe me, I wanna go builder too, but I want to be sure of killing them.

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 10:12									#125
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We killed six units: a regular pike in the east, an immortal by Inchon, and three spears and a warrior in Elipolis. And Vox only killed one of our units in return. Still, losing the free upkeep plus the revenue from Elipolis probably will have a negative or at least neutral effect on their overall finances.

	14-06-2003 10:14									#126
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Perhaps keeping some cash reserve in case of..?
Other then that , all in all a good turn

	14-06-2003 10:15									#127
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Gotcha.

So they lost 6 units on our turn. You figure they lost 5 units on their turn.

We lost 1 unit on our turn. We lost 6 on theirs.

11 to 7. Not the best results, but pretty good.

How many pikemen do they have left, total? How many med infs do we have left, total? Because we won't be killing pikemen with WCs or Horsemen (unless they're redlined), will we?

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 10:22									#128
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I'm still holding the turn on the issue of whether to keep or raze Elipolis. I guess we could keep it and make it clear to Vox that if they move to attack it, we will probably have no choice but to abandon it rather than have it fall back into their hands. But I don't like our odds of holding it if Vox pushes an attack.

	14-06-2003 10:23									#129
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strange?
I can post here, but nowhere else???
I'm logged in etc.

If you get banned, do you get a notice? Not that I would know why I would have been banned...

	14-06-2003 10:28									#130
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That is wierd, alva. I would think you would receive a PM from a mod if you were restricted.

Nathan, why not hold it for now? If they move sufficient troops next to it to force us to abandon it next turn, ok. Otherwise, we keep it.

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 10:34									#131
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The only major down side is that it leaves two 1hp vet MedInfs vulnerable if Vox has anything handy to counterattack with. As you pointed out, MedInfs are a key commodity for us right now. (We have about fourteen vets and at least three regulars that I can think of off the top of my head, including the wounded ones in the Inchon area. That also includes two new ones finished this turn.)

	14-06-2003 10:34									#132
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Great Job in Elipolis guys!

I don't think we should try to hold Elipolis either way. If we keep Elipolis for a turn though, we can unload some Med Inf in the city next turn and still move them, either to go north on a Spear/Warrior killing rampage (best bet, they could hit HH or BbtW the turn after), or to hit any units Vox moves next to Elipolis.

	14-06-2003 10:36									#133
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Also we should be able to do some major pillaging to make sure Vox's units can't catch up to us. Both WC's still alive.

	14-06-2003 10:43									#134
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Hrm. I agree leaving the med infs exposed is a problem.

But, having said that, I like the idea of holding Eliopolis for at least a turn, if not more.

Convenient base for fastmover stikes into their core, if we can hold it long enough, don'tcha think?

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 10:58									#135
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If we dare, we could unload two vet MedInfs in Elipolis next turn, send them and the one we leave there this turn to Harry's Hideout 2 (a hill), and then disband Elipolis. Depending on how quickly Vox can come up with troops to respond, we just might get Harry's Hideout. In terms of pillaging, we could perhaps pillage Elipolis itself and Elipolis 8-7, probably using our 4hp WC for the latter and then having it join the stack by Harry's Hideout. So Vox would face an unroaded tile, a roaded tile, and then another unroaded tile, slowing them down just as much as if all the tiles were pillaged. I think that would buy time to bring in reinforcements by galley to take another big chunk out of Vox's core before Voxian reinforcements can get there.

By the way, does anyone know what happens to a galley that's in a city when the city is abandoned?

	14-06-2003 11:03									#136
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I figure the galley is toast, but I've never done it. You might crash the game, watch out!

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 11:07									#137
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Oh, and Nathan, I like that daring idea of yours.

Daring indeed.

Guts 'n glory!

The faster we take Vox down, the less time they have to work out a survival plan with Lego.

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 11:15									#138
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*yawn*

My, look at the time. It's late.

Do we have a concensus on what we're doing?

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 11:15									#139
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Two resistors.

By the way, we may be able to hold Elipolis after all with the right luck and the wrong moves on Vox's part (most notably not thinking to pillage the road we'd need to move troops over to bring them in from Inchoff).

	14-06-2003 11:17									#140
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Our second elite WC is 2/5. I'm putting both WCs and a vet MedInf in Elipolis and withdrawing the pikes to Inchon.

Any objections if I bring four of our six Inchoff pikes along with our MedInfs to reinforce the Inchon/Elipolis area?

	14-06-2003 11:20									#141
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No objection here.

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 11:26									#142
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Also, any objections if I have one galley waste a move to cover our galley with our MedInfs in case RP might try something and have our other galleys head back to our core for reinforcements? (That would leave us with enough empty sealift capability near Inchon to move four pikes from Inchon to Elipolis if Vox gives us the breathing room to do so safely.)

	14-06-2003 11:27									#143
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Yeah, protect that transport ship.

RP probably won't try anything, but I'm wary as hell.

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 11:29									#144
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And do we want to build that eastern desert city (near the bonus grasslands, north of Hurricane) this turn?

	14-06-2003 11:31									#145
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Why not? No threatening Voxian units, right? Connected to our road system, yes (so we can reinforce if need be)?

Plunk 'er down, captain!

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 11:33									#146
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Our total MedInf establishment is fourteen veterans and five regulars. We're also up to eleven cats. Do you think that, plus our numerous horsemen and WCs, should be enough?

	14-06-2003 11:34									#147
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Any idea for a name? "Winds of Victory" occurs to me.

	14-06-2003 11:38									#148
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Oh, can we stop cat production at this point? 11 is a lot.

19 med infs, a couple of which are in danger for the upcoming Voxian turn. Let's take worst-case, and write those off. So 12 vets, 5 regs. Yeah, ok, that's enough.

Seabreeze is another possibility. We could rename Eliopolis Winds of Victory.

-Arrian

	14-06-2003 11:43									#149
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I'd like to go ahead and build temples in EotS and Hurricane while we have them at 30 shields instead of ~20. For Arashi and Tempest, I'm inclined to prioritize marketplaces over libraries, partly for happiness reasons once we get more luxuries and partly because we may or may not be doing much researching in the near future, if the team is willing to go ahead and switch over to builder mode.

	14-06-2003 11:45									#150
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Concur on the 30-shielders. Markets first otherwise, definitely.

New city starts on a courthouse, maybe?

Oh, by the way, how happy are we that Vox didn't pillage the road this turn? If they had, we couldn't have rushed a pike in Inchon (spear instead).

-Arrian