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MichaeltheGreat
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:28
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Originally posted by Kidicious
People who just get depressed are different. These people get depressed because they face an identity crisis. Their entire self-esteem, which has been socially conditioned, has been shattered. They based their self-worth on their earning power. Now that that is gone they feel useless. They can not handle it emotionally so they have a mental breakdown. |
You seem to have sympathy for these individuals, if their hypothetical disorder can be traced to the evils of capitalism.
Do you have similar sympathy for the far greater number of individuals whose assets you'd confiscate and whose pay you would cut to increase your across-the-board "equality?"
If you ignore purchasing power parity and hyperinflation (logistics trumps revolutionary ideology every time), "equalizing" everyone in the world economically would remove the capital from every US business, paralyze financial and inventory systems, and reduce the average American's hourly wage to somewhere around three dollars an hour. (rough back of napkin calcs). Meanwhile, since you've killed the market, you've got to create a new system of arbitrary pricing, and until you do that, people are going to be hard-pressed to eat.
So what about people who have "identity crises" and go on rampages as a result of that?  Oh, you kill them for being opposed to the revolution. So much for sympathy, lol.
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JohnT
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Capitalist
Mar 1999
time: 00:28
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Originally posted by Kidicious
Let me tell you about people living in fantasy world.
A man who has been downsized, who suffers from depression and or psychological morbidity, shoots his wife and kids, goes into his former place of employment and shoots everyone he can find who doesn’t get away, then turns the gun on himself and commits suicide, because he believes that his total self-worth is measured by his ability to earn money in the capitalist system. Who are these people? Not me, because I don’t measure my self-worth like that, but there isn’t a shortage of people who think like that who post here at poly.
People who measure their self-worth see the event on the news and separate it from reality. They tell themselves that it couldn’t happen to them, because they earn money through the capitalist system and believe that if they were downsized they would quickly find an even better job.
Now tell me who is living in a fantasy world. |
Thing is, one doesn't have to make up stories to prove or disprove one's points.
Let me tell you about people living in the real world:
Ten Days that Shook My World
All the Lies that Are My Life, or, JohnT vs. His Parents
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Az
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:28
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What is wrong with syndicatism? I think it would be better than a wage-paying business because each person gets an equal share of the profit, that is the communist part, so the harder a person works the more everyone, INCLUDING the employee makes in profit; thus curing the "lousy work ethic" and "lack of an entrepeneurial spirit" problems that occur in most command economies. As I said, a Communism does not mean no free market, as long as employees contol the means of production it is a communist system.
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1)Who establishes the bussiness?
2) If the worker owns a part of it, What happens when he's fired? Can he be fired?
3) How can this band of workers (  ) be stopped from exploiting things in the market, ala Pharmaceuticals vs. 3rd world, etc.?
The "lousy work ethic" that is being blamed on communism is the lack of an incentive system. Such an incentive system doesn't require private ownership.
In a command economy all Industrial demand can be predicted, since all the Industrial demand is controlled by the government itself.
I've talked to people that were middle-management in the SU. the failure of the system was in:
1) Lack of Accountability.
2) Lack of Fiscal discipline. ( derivative of 1)
3) Lack of investment in civilian infrasturcture.
4) The entire economy working for the military ( which created no.3).
5) Upper Echelon apathy ( once again, a derivative of 1).
The biggest problems being 1 and 4.
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Kidicious
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Diety of Kidiverse
Mar 2003
time: 21:28
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Che was right. The REAL US unemployment rate is 9.1%. I read it this morning.
Also, 2% of the male US workforce is incarcerated.
Last edited by Kidicious on 21-06-2003 at 03:40
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Imran Siddiqui
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The Potterverse
Jan 1970
time: 00:28
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How can this band of workers ( ) be stopped from exploiting things in the market, ala Pharmaceuticals vs. 3rd world, etc.? |
This is also a concern of mine. How will a worker democracy capitalist state (which is the sort of communism I find most appealing, btw), be prevented from exploiting others? I don't think they will. 51% of the workers will be able to exploit the others if they are smart enough (and in some kind of democratic process, you know there would be back room dealings with cliques and so on).
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I have no idea what are you talking about. Really. |
For example (if you are being serious), the directives to 'make shoes' out of certain amount of leather resulted in abnormally high production of baby shoes, because it was easier to produce more of them from the same leather. Of course, what was needed was more adult shoes, but without real market forces (outside some farms) it wasn't gonna happen. Hence, reward inefficiency (because the managers would get bonuses).
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21-06-2003 02:12
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Che, it's Friday and I'm in too good a mood to be baited into a fight. I'll ask you the same thing I asked Templar.
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