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BTW, do you think the Israelis should adopt Russian warfighting methods to secure "victory in two months"?

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Actually, the Israelis used American and Israeli warfighting methods to secure victory in six days - fighting Russian trained and Russian equipped opponents

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They stole it from us. Soviets had such project in 70-80's. More probably Yanks bought someone from this project or stolen some blueprints.


if you had your own research, where's the result? did they steal away all blueprints and copies?

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This is Serb, remember? Next he will be telling us that the B-29 was a copy of the Tu-4!

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mod? official numbers? embassy in Israel? What the f*ck was that? What the hell are you talking about? Sometimes your English is even worse than my own.

If American army is so victorious why American soldiers still dying in Afghanistan and Iraq?
If Isrealis army is so victorious then why your streets reminds battlefeilds? Why in the hell everytime when I log-on to this board, I see something of that kind "another blast in Israel, NN people killed?"

What happens in Chechnya? Chechen war is still goes on only in your and other foreinger's imagination. War was over after two months of fighting. After that time Russian forces were in Chechnya to maintain order, because power institutions were destroyed when Chechnya was under bandit's rule (almost 3 years). After power institutions were created (courts, police, special services) Russian army started to withdraw from Chechnya. This proccess of withdrawal started several months ago. Currently Russian army leaving Chechnya, because local power institutions, ministeris, deportments created now and LOCALS, CHECHEN PEOPLE serve in local police forces, and LOCALS maintain order there. Army is leaving, locals protecting themselves from bandits, from guys whom you call "glorious freedom fighters and representatives of Chechen people".
War still goes on, my ass. If you want to see real war, look some TV news from Israel.

WTF was that?
What the hell is "to hold un " and what the hell are you talking about? Can you be more specific?

P.S. I don't have time now. I'll answer the rest of your posts tommorow.



hi ,

well a boy with your background would know that mod stands for misery of defense , boy , .....

you dont have to post back , you claim the second war in chechnya was over in two months , .......

so what number are we on today then , ..... number 1045 or so , ....

and you guys still loose in one week what gets lost in the entire ME in two months , .....

and if war is over , then what the heck are them bombings and coffins then from this week , last week , the week before , ......

pay a visit to cnn.com , .....

oh , and its Israel , not isreal , ....

bye

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They stole it from us. Soviets had such project in 70-80's. More probably Yanks bought someone from this project or stolen some blueprints.





come-on , ......

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So, Turks are buying American helicopters. What happened with the tank contract contest? Is it over? Who won?

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So, Turks are buying American helicopters. What happened with the tank contract contest? Is it over? Who won?



hi ,

guess , .......

have a nice day

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And I thought you were not supposed to export merkavas? Will they be cheaper, weaker versions?

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PPP weighted:

USA 35k
Israel 19k
Russian Federation 7800

Source: Worldbank.org


average US income is 35k??? I always thought it was like 25k...

I guess the numbers i looked at years ago were outdated to begin with

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And I thought you were not supposed to export merkavas? Will they be cheaper, weaker versions?


hi ,

who said anything about merkavas , ......

it shall be Sabras , ......

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Merkavas are not exported. Panag is talking about something else.

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Merkavas are not exported. Panag is talking about something else.


hi ,

who said anything about merkavas , .....

its going to be sabras , ......

and a bit of other equipment like a couple apc's , .....

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They stole it from us. Soviets had such project in 70-80's. More probably Yanks bought someone from this project or stolen some blueprints.


uh huh...

do you actually believe these things you say? or are you just flag waving under false pretense to sustain your ego?

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Wow panang, can you add a pink font on three letters for the next version?

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Wow panang, can you add a pink font on three letters for the next version?



come again

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hi ,

serb , here , some info on a two month war thats over , ....

2 èþëÿ 2003 ãîäà, 20:25
Over 2,200 servicemen died in second Chechen campaign
ROSTOV-ON-DON. July 2 (Interfax) - Over 2,240 servicemen were killed in the anti-terrorist operation in Chechnya in 1999-2003, Major- General Sergei Tochilin, deputy commander-in-chief of Russia's Interior Troops, said at a meeting of the Federation Council's coordination council in Rostov-on-Don on Wednesday for the protection of servicemen who took part in the anti-terrorist operation in the Northern Caucasus.

Viktor Ozerov, chairman of the Federation Council's defense and security committee, said that over 13,000 servicemen who took part in the second Chechen campaign are now disabled and one out of four servicemen who returned form Chechnya needs serious psychological counseling.

In total, some 300,000 servicemen fought in the two Chechen campaigns, Ozerov said.

hope the translation is okay , .....

aldo the number of deaths and MIA is higher then the number given above , .....

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Over 75 rebel groups active in Chechnya - Russian general
ROSTOV-ON-DON. July 2 (Interfax-South) - More than 75 rebel groups are active in Chechnya today, troop commander at the North Caucasus Military District Col. Gen. Vladimir Boldyrev said on Wednesday.

"The groups include roughly 1,200 people with about 300 foreign mercenaries," Boldyrev said.

Some 26,000 troops of the North Caucasus Military District are currently in Chechnya. The 42nd motorized division, two special brigades and an intelligence unit form the backbone of the contingent.

"The North Caucasus is still Russia's hotbed of tension. The priority of the North Caucasus Military District's troops is to eliminate rebel groups from Chechen territory," he said.

Asked about the transfer of the command of the anti-terrorist operation to the Chechen Interior Ministry, Boldyrev noted that "the tasks of the Defense Ministry's units will not be changed. Their task is to eliminate rebels in the mountains," he said.

A gradual withdrawal of the Defense Ministry's troops from Chechnya is underway, he said.

"In the past two months, three tactic groups have been withdrawn," he said.

Moreover, professional servicemen will make up all units of the 42nd division deployed to Chechnya by 2004. All permanent alert units in the North Caucasus Military District will cbe comprised of only professional soldiers by 2006, he said.



Total 126 people have applied for amnesty in Chechnya
GROZNY. July 1 (Interfax) - Two people applied for amnesty in Chechnya over the past 24 hours, Colonel Ilya Shabalkin, a representiave of the operative headquarters directing the anti- terrorist operation in the Northern Caucasus.

He told Interfax that the men are residents of the Shelkovskoi region. Thus, the total number of those who have applied for amnesty in Chechnya has reached 126.

At the same time, the Chechen prosecutor's office said that the documents for 76 people are already being considered.

Shabalkin said that work aimed at implementing the Duma decree on amnesty, which was adopted on July 6, is being carried out all over the republic.

An important role in the implementation of this law is being played by the local authorities, clergymen, and village administration officials, he said. These people work with former rebels who are thinking about surrendering.

In addition, over 200 rebels are in contact with the law enforcement agencies through their relatives and friends, Shabalkin said. These are mostly groups of 3-7 people.

Shabalkin said the Chechen authorities are taking measures to provide employment to people amnestied in Chechnya.



Jun 30 2003 12:19PM
14 guerillas killed in Chechnya over past 24 hours
GROZNY. June 30 (Interfax) - Fourteen guerillas have been killed and two guerilla field camps eliminated in Chechnya over the past 24 hours, Deputy Commander of the Combined Federal Forces in the North Caucasus Lt. Col. Nikolai Berzeitis told Interfax on Monday.

The federal forces killed two active members of illegal armed formations near the community of Agishty in Chechnya's Shali district.

A scout unit also discovered a large guerilla base near Shatoi, which had been wiped out by federal air forces, Berzeitis said. The bodies of 11 rebels and large amounts of weapons, ammunition, food and medicines were found at the destroyed base.

The federal forces have also found 13 caches and seized a grenade launcher, 26 hand grenades, 14 artillery shells, 3 mortar rounds, 62 grenade launcher rounds, 8 radio transmitters, 6.3 kilos of explosives and about 13,500 cartridges in the past 24 hours.

They also destroyed 11 clandestine mini-oil refineries and sapper units have neutralized 2 powerful landmines.


hi ,



if that two month war is over , then why is the above happening , .....

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hi ,

about this particualr ship

its name is Pyotr Veliky , former Yuri Andropov ;

laid down ; 04/25/86

launched ; 04/25/89

comm ; 04/18/98

1995 sea trials
10/27/96 turbine explosion (5 crew killed)
1998 sea trials
1999 laid up at Severomorsk , where the ship still is till this day


the plane ;

Su-47 [S-37] Berkut
The Su-47 [initially known as the S-37] Berkut [Golden Eagle] is a testbed for developing technologies for the next generation of aircraft. The basic dimensions and weight of the Su-47 "Berkut" are similar to those of Su-37, although they are different aircraft, and the tail, nose and canopy are similar to those of the Su-35. The first two prototypes of this aircraft were evidently designated the S-32, and the S-37 designation was previously applied to an unrelated fighter project for a smaller delta wing single aircraft that was cancelled due to lack of funding.

The Su-47 features forward-swept wings, which promises a range of benefits in aerodynamics at subsonic speeds and at high angles of attack. The forward-swept wing, which enables the aircraft to increase its range and its manoeuvrability at high altitude, makes extensive use of composite materials. The aircraft has large canards mounted on the intake side, close to the leading edge of the wing. The vertical stabilizers are canted slightly outward [not inward, as previously believed], and two large auxiliary intake doors are visible on the center fuselage section. It is unclear which engines are used on this aircraft. The two powerplants are at the moment D-30F6 turbojets which are normaly used at the MiG-31M, while the second prototype uses the Ljulka AL-37FU turbojet with thrust vectoring. The Su-47 is an experimental program for developing fifth-generation technologies.


flying ; 0

funding ; 0

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B1 completely sucks in comparison with Blackjack. B-1 was failure, while Blackjack was true success.
Tu-160 has 44 world records. How much B1 have?
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Tu-160 BLACKJACK (TUPOLEV)
The Tu-160 is a multi-mission strategic bomber designed for operations ranging from subsonic speeds and low altitudes to speeds over Mach 1 at high altitudes. The two weapons bays can accommodate different mission-specific loads, including strategic cruise missiles, short-range guided missiles, nuclear and conventional bombs, and mines. Its basic armament of short-range guided missiles and strategic cruise missiles enables it to deliver nuclear strikes to targets with preassigned coordinates.In the future, after the aircraft is equipped with high-precision conventional weapons it may also be used against mobile or tactical targets.

The Tu-160 was the outcome of a multi-mission bomber competition, which included a Tupolev proposal for an aircraft design using elements of the Tu-144, the Myasishchev M- 18, and the Sukhoi a design based on the T-4 aircraft. The project of Myasishchev was considered to be the most successful, although the Tupolev organization was regarded as having the greatest potential for completing this complex project. Consequently, Tupolev was assigned to develop an aircraft using elements of the Myasishchev M-18 bomber design. The project was supervised by V.N. Binznyuk. Trial operations in the Air Forces began in 1987 with serial production being conducted at the Kazan Aviation Association.

The Tu-160 is characterized by low-mounted, swept-back, and tapered, variable geometry wings with large fixed-center section. The variable geometry wings (from 20 degrees up to 65 degrees) allows flight at supersonic and and subsonic speeds. Four NK-32 TRDDF [turbojet bypass engines with afterburners] of 25,000 kilograms-force power the T-160. The four turbofans, developed by OKB Kuznetsov in 1977, are mounted in pairs under the fixed-center section with square intakes and exhausts extending behind the wings’ trailing edges. The fuselage's slim structure is marked by a long, pointed, slightly upturned nose section and a stepped canopy. Tail flats are swept-back, tapered, and mid-mounted on the fin. The tail fin is back-tapered with a square tip and a fairing in the leading edge. The tail cone is located past the tail section. During the design of the aircraft, special attention was paid to reducing its signature. Measures were applied to reduce the signature of the engines to infra-red and radar detectors. Tests of these survivability measures were first tested on a TU-95 aircraft in 1980.

As the most powerful combat aircraft of the Soviet Air Forces, the T-160 flies at 2,000 km/hr and can exceed the 2,000 mark with a mission-specific load. The T-160 can climb 60-70 meters per second and reach heights of up 15,000 meters. The bomber can be refueled during flight by IL-78 and ZMS-2 tanker aircraft. The air refueling system consists of a probe and drogue airborne refueling system.

The TU-160 can carry up to 12 Kh-55 long range missiles and Kh-15 short range missiles. The weapons bays can accommodate different loads: carries various bombs: From fee falling nuclear and regular up to 1500 kg bombs. The bomber is not equipped with artillery armament.

The Tu-160 is equipped with a combined navigation-and-weapon aiming system, RID; [radar] for detecting targets on the ground and sea at long distances, an optical-electronic bombsight, an automatic terrain-following system, and active and passive radio-electronic warfare systems, as well as a probe-and-drogue airborne refueling system. It is equipped with K-36DM ejection seats. The cockpit instruments are the traditional electromechanical type. The aircraft is controlled with the aid of a central control column. The engine control throttles are located between the pilots' seats. There is a rest area, a toilet, and a cupboard for warming up food.

Studies have also been conducted on using the aircraft as a launch platform for the "Burlak" space launch vehicle, which is designed to carry payloads with a mass of 300 to 500 kg in polar orbits at an altitude of 500 to 700 km. Under this concept the launch vehicle, which has a solid-fuel engine and a delta wing, would be suspended under the airplane's fuselage.

In 1981 OKB Tupolev built two prototypes of the bomber and one mock-up that was used for static tests. The first flight test of the "70" aircraft took place on 19 December 1981. During flight tests, one of the two original planes was lost. Shortly after tests began, series production started. In 1984, the factory in Kazan started producing the bomber which received the designation TU-160. Initial plans provided for the construction of 100 airplanes but when their production was stopped in 1992, only 36 bombers had been built.

In May 1987, deployment of the first bombers began. Until the end of 1991, 19 TU-160 bombers served in the 184th regiment in Ukraine and became Ukrainian property after the dissolution of the USSR. In 1992 the 121th air regiment based at the aerodrome B.G. Engels was equippd with TU-160 bombers. Subsequently the bombers were tested to carry long range missiles.


It was reported on 02 July 1999 that the Gorbunov Kazan Air Industrial Association received an order from the Ministry of Defense of Russia to complete the production of one Tu-160 strategic bomber. According to the Association's general director Nail Hairullin the contract for the aircraft production was worth 45 million rubles.
In July 1999 the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Alexander Kuzmuk confirmed that Kiev officially proposed that Moscow accept as payment for the gas debts "about 10 strategic bombers Tu-160 and Tu-95". He refused to tell the exact cost of missile carriers, however, in his judgement, it would be "considerably more" than 25 million dollars for each machine. On 12 October 1999 the Russian air force announced an agreement that would allow Ukraine to pay some of its multimillion-dollar energy debts by handing over 11 strategic bombers. Ukraine had tried to unload the bombers since the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, but talks had foundered because of differences over the price tag and other conditions. The deal includes eight Tupolev 160 Blackjack bombers and three Tupolev 95 Bears.


The 11 strategic bombers and 600 air-launched missiles exchanged by Ukraine to Russia in payment for the gas debt were transfered in mid-February 2000. Two Tu-160 bombers flew from Priluki in the Ukrainian Chernigov region for the Russian air base in Engels. The missiles were sent to Russia by railroad. Three Tu-95MS bombers and six Tu-160 airplanes had already arrived at Engels since October 1999 in fulfilment of the intergovernmental agreements. Before being moved to Russia, 19 Tu-160 airplanes were stationed at the Priluki airfield and 21 Tu-95MS were located in Uzin.


today flying ; 8 , .....

and where are those 44 worldrecords , ......

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Passive radar? How exactly does that work? I can imagine passive IR sensors, but radar? Normally the enemy plane reflects the radar waves sent out by your own radar - if you don´t emit radar waves, there´s nothing to reflect. Or am I wrong?



An AWACS sends out a radar pulse and the F-22 detects the return. The F-22 is told the location of the AWACS at all times, and knows the timing of the pulses. Thus, it still gets the information.

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Panag, you getting all this from Globalsecurity.org?

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hi ,



they copy from an other server , fas copies from them , ......

the database belongs to the center of strategic studies in DC , there aint a single plane , ship , weapon , tank , boot , sock , towel , pencil , anything , you name , its on there , ......

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hi ,



they copy from an other server , fas copies from them , ......

the database belongs to the center of strategic studies in DC , there aint a single plane , ship , weapon , tank , boot , sock , towel , pencil , anything , you name , its on there , ......

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That was a weak save there, Panag

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about this particualr ship

its name is Pyotr Veliky , former Yuri Andropov ;

laid down ; 04/25/86

launched ; 04/25/89

comm ; 04/18/98

1995 sea trials
10/27/96 turbine explosion (5 crew killed)
1998 sea trials
1999 laid up at Severomorsk , where the ship still is till this day


Till this day?? The last time this ship was seen just happened to be in the Baltic Sea (do you have an idea how far is this from Severodvinsk?) a few days ago. It participated in the joint maneuvers of the Baltic and the Northern Fleets. Putin witnessed the maneuvers on his way back from Britain. In fact, he ever held a summit with the Polish president on one of the warships during the maneuvers.

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That was a weak save there, Panag



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save , ...... thats for civ games , .....

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Till this day?? The last time this ship was seen just happened to be in the Baltic Sea (do you have an idea how far is this from Severodvinsk?) a few days ago. It participated in the joint maneuvers of the Baltic and the Northern Fleets. Putin witnessed the maneuvers on his way back from Britain. In fact, he ever held a summit with the Polish president on one of the warships during the maneuvers.



hi ,

and now you want a sat pic to prove its still in the dry dock , ......

are you sure its the same ship , ......

remember , they have done a lot of renaming , some ships even five times in ten years , ......

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hi ,



save , ...... thats for civ games , .....

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Or for soccer games...as in "The goalie saved the goal from a score"

 
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