03-07-2003 23:41									#151
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro I agree that, despite there were other genocides, the holocaust has its special characteristics. We shouldn´t "compare" those crimes, certainly not for relativating the worst one (and I think this wasn´t Spiffs intention), which in my eyes the holocaust is. If Andy wouldn´t be such a bloody troll, he wouldn´t post such things either, because I highly doubt he actually thinks this way. Oh, and there are other posters from the eastern part of Germany

you, bebro?

	03-07-2003 23:42									#152
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Yes.

	03-07-2003 23:42									#153
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quote: Suppose now it becomes a matter for debate during an election campaign, and one politician says we should make a payment to the those who were wronged in this experiment, and another says no. Do I have a moral obligation to (ceteris paribus) to vote for the one calling for payment to the victims - I would argue that I do have such an obligation.

I don't think you can claim that the voters would have a moral obligation as voters to vote for the one side that calls for a settlement of the suit. Difference of opinion and belief at this point.

	03-07-2003 23:42									#154
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I'm making fun of the killers and of you. I think the people escaping were good.

	03-07-2003 23:42									#155
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IUm ganz ehrlich zu sein, das mit dem Trollen kam erst im Laufe der Debatte. An und für sich war das schon ganz richtig, vom "sneaky" mal abgesehen, aber irgendwas musste ich Azazel entgegnen. Lordy hier scheint aber echt zart besaitet zu sein

	03-07-2003 23:42									#156
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro If Andy wouldn´t be such a bloody troll, he wouldn´t post such things either, because I highly doubt he actually thinks this way.

then i guess i should just stop feeding this troll

	03-07-2003 23:44									#157
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Ich verstehe nicth deise complizeirte worte. Bitte, rad Steirisch.

	03-07-2003 23:46									#158
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark then i guess i should just stop feeding this troll

Fooking DUH!!!!

	03-07-2003 23:47									#159
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I can't speak any styrian

	03-07-2003 23:47									#160
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion IUm ganz ehrlich zu sein, das mit dem Trollen kam erst im Laufe der Debatte. An und für sich war das schon ganz richtig, vom "sneaky" mal abgesehen, aber irgendwas musste ich Azazel entgegnen. Lordy hier scheint aber echt zart besaitet zu sein

im totally honest with you, those with trolls, make laughter in debate. And those who were totally, beautifully righteous, as "sneaky" say, but .... must i ... Azazel. Lordy here ...... you.

Translation based on my limited German, limited Yiddish, and english-German cognates.

I gather hes talking about me and Azazel, and trying to avoid being understood. Perhaps someone whos german is better than mine will enlighten us.

	03-07-2003 23:47									#161
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quote: IUm ganz ehrlich zu sein, das mit dem Trollen kam erst im Laufe der Debatte. An und für sich war das schon ganz richtig, vom "sneaky" mal abgesehen, aber irgendwas musste ich Azazel entgegnen. Lordy hier scheint aber echt zart besaitet zu sein

"I just had to say something" *points and laughs*

	03-07-2003 23:49									#162
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LOTM:

Your post in answer to mine about the "obligation of remembrance" was very sensible I agree with you 100% on it.

And like BeBro said, I don't intend to relativise the Holocaust, which was by far the worst genocide both in numbers and intent. But you have understood already

	03-07-2003 23:51									#163
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But why? Who are you to judge that what Nazis did was wrong?

[/potshot at relativism]

	03-07-2003 23:51									#164
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what for the sake of zion are you talking about?

	03-07-2003 23:52									#165
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of course Lordy, and that is why I actually posted it in German

	03-07-2003 23:53									#166
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Spiffor and lordy, you'll notice I said the very same in an earlier post

	03-07-2003 23:53									#167
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The fact that you apologetically explained to BeBro, that this wasn't a planned troll, and you just had to say something to me. I am sure LoTM appreciates that you won't go on trolling him. Or will you continue to prey on him?

	03-07-2003 23:55									#168
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nope, still doesn't make a lot more sense

this just in, back on topic:

Mr Berlusconi has apologised to Mr Schröder.

	03-07-2003 23:56									#169
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What did he say to Schroeder that he had to appologize?

	03-07-2003 23:57									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Mr Berlusconi has apologised to Mr Schröder.

What ? Sanity in Berlusconi's cabinet ? What the hell is happening ?

	03-07-2003 23:57									#171
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Wo ist das rathaus, bitte? Links um die ecke!

	03-07-2003 23:58									#172
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apparently it was only half-assed though. after the phone talk, his office stated that he didn't directly apologise but only expressed his regret about how everything worked out and also repeated his concerns about the things "he had to endure in the european parliament", as in the things he was told and called by others. source: spiegel.de, translation: Andy V.

funny? no.

	03-07-2003 23:58									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor LOTM: Your post in answer to mine about the "obligation of remembrance" was very sensible I agree with you 100% on it. And like BeBro said, I don't intend to relativise the Holocaust, which was by far the worst genocide both in numbers and intent. But you have understood already

we've been getting very intensely into issues of memory and national obligation here lately - from the debate over black reparations (where the German example is cited, although i think mistakendly so) to questions about native americans (are the native american casinos a form of reparation? what about land claims? how to handle historical sites like Little Big Horn. A new museum in DC. Native american nicknames on sports teams, etc) to the debate about the Smithsonian exhibit on the 50th anniversary of Hiroshima (they displayed a bomb from 1945 (no warhead) with alot of text about Japanese suffering - veterans complained it wasnt balanced with stuff on Japanese atrocities - they ended up, IIRC, just displaying the bomb without any text - which was quite powerful, if you were at all historically aware - the museum director ended up getting fired, after being attacked by both sides)

	03-07-2003 23:59									#174
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Das Rathaus, please...

Azazel - he insulted a German member of the European parliament, though I agree he should have apologised to that man, not to Gerd S

	04-07-2003 00:01									#175
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion this just in, back on topic:

Man, miracles still happen - Ecthelion goes back on topic

God save us all

	04-07-2003 00:01									#176
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(edits to try and make Andy look silly)

Doh!

	04-07-2003 00:02									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel The fact that you apologetically explained to BeBro, that this wasn't a planned troll, and you just had to say something to me. I am sure LoTM appreciates that you won't go on trolling him. Or will you continue to prey on him?

i will remove the quote from my sig when he explains this to me in the language he knows I understand.

	04-07-2003 00:03									#178
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zart besaited = very fragile

	04-07-2003 00:04									#179
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you would have to go through switzerland, that could prove to be problematic

	04-07-2003 00:06									#180
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oh wait, just go through Austria. They wont mind