08-07-2003 23:45									#91
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH I know someone (in the US) who spends a lot of time organising food drives to get food to families who can't afford to feed their children properly. I don't know that many Americans. *shrug*

I doubt most of the food from food drives goes to families. I imagine most of it goes to homeless shelters and most of the homeless are homeless for one of two reasons. 1) Substance abuse, which makes them unemployable or 2) Mental illness, which makes them unemployable. At least that's what I saw when I used to volunteer to work at one of the local shelters when I was in college.

Nearly all of these people get welfare checks but they choice to spend them on things other then food (like drugs or liquor) so I really don't feel sorry for them. Mostly I just petty them.

	09-07-2003 00:07									#92
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but the point is... there are ways to make money, legit or not, and most people do got enough money to feed themselves... in case they are running short, they can get food very cheap (come on, you get a big ass loaf of bread for 99 cents standard price and that **** makes enough sandwiches for over a week... cans of vienna sausages are a 15 cents to a quarter each)... and just in case, you somehow can't afford that, there's charities, school/camp lunch programs, and welfare...

so the point is, you got to try to starve...

	09-07-2003 02:21									#93
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quote: so the point is, you got to try to starve...

that's right... hungry people in America work hard at starving...

	09-07-2003 02:25									#94
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hungry is starving?

Speers point, Sava, is that it is really easy to feed one's self, even if all you do is panhandle... So argue that instead of spam

Sava is a meany

	09-07-2003 02:28									#95
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quote: Speers point, Sava, is that it is really easy to feed one's self, even if all you do is panhandle...

unless you are speaking from experience, you and Speer don't know what you are talking about.

quote: Sava is a meany

the world is a rough place... if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen...

	09-07-2003 02:39									#96
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Speers has indicated that he was in fact speaking from experience to which you replied that one persons experience does not account for everyones... Man Sava, so dubious aren't you?

Oh, and I can take the heat, I was just trying to be like you and spam!

	09-07-2003 02:40									#97
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quote: Speers has indicated that he was in fact speaking from experience to which you replied that one persons experience does not account for everyones... Man Sava, so dubious aren't you?

How so?

quote: Oh, and I can take the heat, I was just trying to be like you and spam!

duh, that's what the OT is for.

	09-07-2003 09:21									#98
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i dont understand... i was speaking from experience...

how can you disprove all the ways to get food cheaply that i said... might not be the healthiest food but it's still enough to ward off starvation... again...

but the point is... there are ways to make money, legit or not, and most people do got enough money to feed themselves... in case they are running short, they can get food very cheap (come on, you get a big ass loaf of bread for 99 cents standard price and that **** makes enough sandwiches for over a week... cans of vienna sausages are a 15 cents to a quarter each)... and just in case, you somehow can't afford that, there's charities, school/camp lunch programs, and welfare...

	09-07-2003 09:26									#99
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quote: how can you disprove all the ways to get food cheaply that i said

You misunderstand. I'm not saying you are wrong... I am saying your experience and knowledge isn't representative of the vast majority of poor.

	09-07-2003 09:36									#100
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i dont understand... it's easy to get food... maybe the reservations or the barrios dont got the infrastructure that makes food cheap and easy to buy but they aren't the vast majority of lower classes

	09-07-2003 10:43									#101
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Malnutrition is rather a bigger problem than simple eating disorders. Most people eat the wrong kinds of food and don't get sufficient nutrients, especially the poor. This, however, is a food choice problem, but as makers of poor quality food target the poor, blame doesn't lie entirely with the poor. After all, if advertizing and marketing didn't work, they wouldn't spend billions on it, would they?

So it's Ming's fault?

	09-07-2003 10:48									#102
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quote: So it's Ming's fault?

EVERY THING IS MING'S FAULT!!! OMG

::runs away::

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quote: ... edited by Ming... Very funny, check your PM's...

	09-07-2003 10:59									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident in my elemntary school they gave free breakfasts to poor people.

I was eligible for this because we were poor when I was growing up. But I only took the milk because the rest of the food was sh!t, and I was fed well enough at home because my mother wasn't completely useless. This is really the crux of the issue. No one has to starve, there are plenty of ways to get food in the U.S. Food stamps will get you by if you have a kitchen, or even a hotplate and a kettle. But it takes some effort to cook a meal from scratch, and this is beyond the capabilities of some parents. Since taking children from parents who can't handle their responsibilities is such a politically charged situation, we find it easier to simply let a few children suffer from malnutrition, and a huge number from obesity. The same is true for the homeless. Some perhaps should be institutionalized, but that's expensive and the vast majority don't want to be institutionalized. So we let them freely kill themselves slowly.

	09-07-2003 11:03									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Sava yup... and enough people at least agree with one of us. I get the hot-interns though...

Fvcking democrat!

	09-07-2003 11:04									#105
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	09-07-2003 12:58									#106
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This thread is unbelievable. If there aren't starving people in America, who are all of those people constantly begging in the streets? Who are those unwashed people standing outside the burger joints begging for spare change so that they can get a meal?

You apolytoners are so out of touch with reality. This thread sickens me. I'm outta here.

	09-07-2003 13:55									#107
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley This thread is unbelievable. If there aren't starving people in America, who are all of those people constantly begging in the streets? Who are those unwashed people standing outside the burger joints begging for spare change so that they can get a meal? You apolytoners are so out of touch with reality. This thread sickens me. I'm outta here.

No one here has denied that there is poverty, merely that starvation isn't on the top 100 list of problems in the U.S. Most of the spare change beggars I see can be seen buying alchohol with their proceeds every night, or drugs in some cases. Exactly what sort of reality do you live in? Are your contrary experiences personal or second hand? Do you have any statistics to back up your opinions?

	09-07-2003 18:26									#108
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When was the last time people died of hunger in the US? You know, first you start getting really thin, looking like a walking skeleton, your sight begins to go, hair falls, somewhere around there your stomach begins to inflate, you become totally apathetic and too weak to move anyway, your bones start to break from the slightest pressure and then you die after a while of pain which is so strong you lose feeling. Seen beggars like these?

	09-07-2003 18:32									#109
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley This thread is unbelievable. If there aren't starving people in America, who are all of those people constantly begging in the streets? Who are those unwashed people standing outside the burger joints begging for spare change so that they can get a meal? You apolytoners are so out of touch with reality. This thread sickens me. I'm outta here.

There's countless alternatives for these people to turn to, so they're not starving. There's Salvation army, church social services, soup kitchens...and that doesn't even include government help from state and federal.

There begging in the streets is more choice than anything.

	09-07-2003 19:30									#110
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley This thread is unbelievable. If there aren't starving people in America, who are all of those people constantly begging in the streets? Who are those unwashed people standing outside the burger joints begging for spare change so that they can get a meal? You apolytoners are so out of touch with reality. This thread sickens me. I'm outta here.

Many of them are mentally ill. The Supreme Court ruled in Lessard v. Schmidt that mentally ill people who are not an imminent danger to themselves or others could no longer be instituionalized against their will. That forced thousands of people out of institutions, where they received at least some minimal level of care, onto the streets, where they received nothing. Many of these people now receive no food, no medical care, no monitoring of their condition, and in fact, until recently, there was not even a requirement in most states that they even take their medication.

	10-07-2003 00:59									#111
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley This thread is unbelievable. If there aren't starving people in America, who are all of those people constantly begging in the streets? Who are those unwashed people standing outside the burger joints begging for spare change so that they can get a meal? You apolytoners are so out of touch with reality. This thread sickens me. I'm outta here.

all the beggers ive evr seen have been quite dirty, this is true, but most I ever see are also quite CHUBBY. Not exactly a symptom of starvation .

they usually beg for money NOT so they can get some food (they obtain this very easily, as others have said, thru soup kitchens, church programs, etc), BUT so they can get some booze or crack, which soup kitchens and churches dont readily hand out

	10-07-2003 01:02									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman all the beggers ive evr seen have been quite dirty, this is true, but most I ever see are also quite CHUBBY. Not exactly a symptom of starvation .

Not me. I've only seen skinny beggers. I don't think chubby beggers do too well.

	10-07-2003 01:04									#113
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quote: NOT FUNNY WEARS MY BANNING ROD!!

Is it a strap on

	10-07-2003 01:06									#114
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*ZAP!*
"you have been banned, you sweet thing you"

	10-07-2003 01:08									#115
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yeah I was stoned last night...

	10-07-2003 01:39									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger It depends on how big it is, and for how long.

Three square meals is a modern invention. Do you think early humans at 3 meals every day?

	11-07-2003 11:24									#117
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley This thread is unbelievable. If there aren't starving people in America, who are all of those people constantly begging in the streets? Who are those unwashed people standing outside the burger joints begging for spare change so that they can get a meal? You apolytoners are so out of touch with reality. This thread sickens me. I'm outta here.

what do you think they use that money for?


I've offered many of them a burger at mcdonald's. they refuse. they want money not food.

	11-07-2003 11:27									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident what do you think they use that money for? I've offered many of them a burger at mcdonald's. they refuse. they want money not food.

Did you hand them a burger or did you offer to take them to McDonald's. I would go to McDonald's, but I might be suspicious of taking food from you. You might have done something to it.

	11-07-2003 12:11									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Did you hand them a burger or did you offer to take them to McDonald's. I would go to McDonald's, but I might be suspicious of taking food from you. You might have done something to it.

What could he possibly do that is worse than what McDonald's has already done?

	11-07-2003 12:19									#120
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although maybe they were a vegetarian. I shouldn't make assumptions about them.

Just because they are homeless, doesn't mean they don't want to eat healthy.