08-07-2003 07:25									#1
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I have mentioned this in a thread in the Apolyton/Community forum. Yes I was talking off-topic in an on-topic thread.

But then Sava said the poor should have food in their bellies.

I have to draw the line here.

A recent study concluded that the only malnutrition problem the U.S. has is from anorexic women and in cases of child abuse where the parents intentionally starve their children. They found that the greater problem was kids eating fatty foods like McDonald's as their primary source of food. Too many poor kids are overweight and developing diabetes.

The term "millions of starving kids in america" is just something liberals use to make us feel guilty. liberals are good at making us feel guilty about our hard work leading to a good life.

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	08-07-2003 07:29									#2
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If you don't think that people miss meals due to poverty than you are really turning a blind eye.

	08-07-2003 07:30									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious If you don't think that people miss meals due to poverty than you are really turning a blind eye.

missing meals and starvation are so not even close to related. why would u twist his words?

if he sez there is no starvation, why don't u come back and say "yes there is." coming back w/ "ppl miss meals." is insanely weak.

	08-07-2003 07:32									#4
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I missed meals all the time in the navy. Often times I was working, and could not eat chow. I sometimes only ate 1 meal a day. Was I starving? hardly.

A human can survive on 1 meal a day easily.

	08-07-2003 07:34									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident A human can survive on 1 meal a day easily.

It depends on how big it is, and for how long.

	08-07-2003 07:35									#6
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quote: Originally posted by yavoon missing meals and starvation are so not even close to related. why would u twist his words? if he sez there is no starvation, why don't u come back and say "yes there is." coming back w/ "ppl miss meals." is insanely weak.

You're willing to accept the idea of people missing meals, I'm not. So it's not weak to me.

	08-07-2003 07:36									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious You're willing to accept the idea of people missing meals, I'm not. So it's not weak to me.

I would base my acceptance more on their capability of obtaining adequate nutrition. not on whether or not they didn't eat breakfast. for all I know they bought a 12 pack and decided to skip all the meals.

	08-07-2003 07:37									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident The term "millions of starving kids in america" is just something liberals use to make us feel guilty. liberals are good at making us feel guilty about our hard work leading to a good life.

I am not sure if there are millions, but when I saw a number of starving people in the US myself. They were homeless people, and I saw them going around to various stores begging for scraps of food.

	08-07-2003 07:38									#9
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quote: The term "millions of starving kids in america" is just something liberals use to make us feel guilty. liberals are good at making us feel guilty about our hard work leading to a good life.

The term "We shouldn't drink water" is just something that republicans say to feel us guilty.
The term "We have 20-inch penises" is just something that niggers say to feel us guilty.
The term "We eat children after raping your pure-blooded daughters" is just something that jews say to feel us guilty.

If one person who calls himself a "liberal" lies to you, does it mean that all liberals agree with him?

Please, don't use broad generalisations, or if you do, then at least don't pull them out of your ass (or worse, FOX news), they make you look like a moron.

	08-07-2003 07:38									#10
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I mentioned this in the thread in Apolyton/Community as well.

If Eric Rudolph can survive, then anyone can.

You know how?

The supermarkets throw out tons of food. You just go to the dumpster and it's free for the taking. That's how Eric Rudolph got caught, someone found him poking around behind a supermarket.

	08-07-2003 07:39									#11
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quote: Originally posted by yavoon I would base my acceptance more on their capability of obtaining adequate nutrition. not on whether or not they didn't eat breakfast. for all I know they bought a 12 pack and decided to skip all the meals.

Maybe you don't realize that many of the people who miss meals are kids, and missing a meal does more than make you hungry. It makes you perform worse in school. It can affect your growth, and it can affect your health.

	08-07-2003 07:39									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu The term "We shouldn't drink water" is just something that republicans say to feel us guilty. The term "We have 20-inch penises" is just something that niggers say to feel us guilty. The term "We eat children after raping your pure-blooded daughters" is just something that jews say to feel us guilty. If one person who calls himself a "liberal" lies to you, does it mean that all liberals agree with him? Please, don't use broad generalisations, or if you do, then at least don't pull them out of your ass (or worse, FOX news), they make you look like a moron.

do you have to use racial epithets?

and you use broad generalizations to say I watch Fox News. So you are guilty of it as well. So don't pretend to take the high road over me. What makes you think I watch Fox News? You just assumed I did.

Your argument is baseless, therefore invalid.

	08-07-2003 07:40									#13
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Malnutrition is rather a bigger problem than simple eating disorders. Most people eat the wrong kinds of food and don't get sufficient nutrients, especially the poor. This, however, is a food choice problem, but as makers of poor quality food target the poor, blame doesn't lie entirely with the poor. After all, if advertizing and marketing didn't work, they wouldn't spend billions on it, would they?

	08-07-2003 07:41									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Maybe you don't realize that many of the people who miss meals are kids, and missing a meals does more than makes you hungry. It makes you perform worse in school. It can affect your growth, and it can affect your health.

I'd have to know more than that. what are there parents doing? lots of normal kids don't eat breakfast. if kids are being nutritionally neglected then lets get after the parents. not hand the parents more damn money.

	08-07-2003 07:42									#15
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Healthy food is more expensive, and some can't afford it.

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quote: Originally posted by yavoon I'd have to know more than that. what are there parents doing? lots of normal kids don't eat breakfast. if kids are being nutritionally neglected then lets get after the parents. not hand the parents more damn money.

The parents? You know nothing about the parents. What do they have to do about it. Do you have some evidence that kids only miss meals because of their parents behavior?

	08-07-2003 07:44									#17
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Malnutrition is rather a bigger problem than simple eating disorders. Most people eat the wrong kinds of food and don't get sufficient nutrients, especially the poor. This, however, is a food choice problem, but as makers of poor quality food target the poor, blame doesn't lie entirely with the poor. After all, if advertizing and marketing didn't work, they wouldn't spend billions on it, would they?

I agree they are eating the wrong types of food. See my original post about McDonald's.

But I disagree that the companies target the poor with their products. If anything, they target both the middle and lower class with their products. As both consume them heavily.

	08-07-2003 07:45									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I mentioned this in the thread in Apolyton/Community as well. If Eric Rudolph can survive, then anyone can. You know how? The supermarkets throw out tons of food. You just go to the dumpster and it's free for the taking. That's how Eric Rudolph got caught, someone found him poking around behind a supermarket.

Why should any citizen of a country is forced to rummage around trash for food? Is that not an accusation against this society?

	08-07-2003 07:45									#19
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quote: and you use broad generalizations to say I watch Fox News. So you are guilty of it as well. So don't pretend to take the high road over me. What makes you think I watch Fox News? You just assumed I did.

You've often said yourself at the ACS OT that you watch FOX.

	08-07-2003 07:46									#20
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ACS? what the hell is that?

I don't post there, whatever that is. This is the only off-topic I post at currently. I used to post at counterglow, but don't post there like I do here, I'm less political.

	08-07-2003 07:49									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious The parents? You know nothing about the parents. What do they have to do about it. Do you have some evidence that kids only miss meals because of their parents behavior?

so kids miss meals because of kids behavior? what are you saying? the parents are incapable of getting their kids to eat?

rice and beans is pretty nutritious, last I checked it was cheap too.

	08-07-2003 07:52									#22
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quote: Originally posted by yavoon so kids miss meals because of kids behavior? what are you saying? the parents are incapable of getting their kids to eat? rice and beans is pretty nutritious, last I checked it was cheap too.

Damn. Please try harder. Maybe it's because they had to pay taxes.

	08-07-2003 07:53									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident ACS? what the hell is that? I don't post there, whatever that is

Apolyton Civilization Site.

	08-07-2003 07:56									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Damn. Please try harder. Maybe it's because they had to pay taxes.

because they paid taxes they are incapable of paying for beans and rice? or incapable of getting their children to eat beans n rice? Im unsure of which nonsensical crap u r trying.

	08-07-2003 08:03									#25
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quote: ACS? what the hell is that? I don't post there, whatever that is. This is the only off-topic I post at currently. I used to post at counterglow, but don't post there like I do here, I'm less political.

Right. Now your ignorance has reached the level where I'm scared that it's contagious. In case you care...

spoiler(highlight to read): /ignore

	08-07-2003 08:04									#26
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60 Minutes had an excellent story about hungry people in America. Most are working class families where the chief income provider loses his/her job. How many jobs have been lost since Bush took office? Is it over 3 million yet? And how many of those unemployed have children? Do the math.

	08-07-2003 08:07									#27
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and I do admit my last paragraph in my original post is a troll.

But I do say that guilt is pretty big thing in the left wing world. I can't prove this of course. This is just a suspicion I have. I sometimes feel guilty for being smart and being well off (I am still considered lower class though, I don't make much money per year). I think a lot of people feel bad when they look at how hard other people have it. But I'm just not willing to give up all that I have worked so hard for. And yes I have worked hard for them, my job does require actual physical work. My life is not easy. I easy. I have social anxiety- and this severely limits my ability to get jobs- I cannot get through interviews. I have struggled to make it this far. Is it too much to ask that other people earn their lifestyle like I had to?

	08-07-2003 08:08									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Sava 60 Minutes had an excellent story about hungry people in America. Most are working class families where the chief income provider loses his/her job. How many jobs have been lost since Bush took office? Is it over 3 million yet? And how many of those unemployed have children? Do the math.

You blame the job losses on Bush? Most of those were the airline industry jobs. That can be attributed to 9/11 and poor company management.

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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu Right. Now your ignorance has reached the level where I'm scared that it's contagious. In case you care... spoiler(highlight to read): /ignore

how in the hell am I supposed to know ACS is Apolyton?

I have never in the entire time I've been here heard it referred to as that.

I'm sorry I'm not smart enough for you.

How about arrogant people such as yourself give me money to make me feel good about not being as fortunate as you.

I will expect the check in the mail. I will PM my address to you.

	08-07-2003 08:14									#30
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It's not about guilt... it's about wanting the system to be fair. There will always be poverty. And some poor people ARE lazy. But there are many who get stuck in poverty due to situations out of their control. These are hard-working people that are willing to work for a living. I'm in favor of social programs that give opprotunities to people who WANT to work. Nobody can help someone who's determined to be lazy. But I suspect most people lose hope at some point, and since private charity isn't capable of solving the problem, I think the government should step in. And for those of you who don't remember the preamble of the Constitution:

quote: We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I think Capitalism is great... I just want a level playing field.