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Xeones
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for a slightly more radical collection of lies uncovered ... try You Are Being Lied To by disinformation press (disinfo.com)(see also Everything You Know Is Wrong). it is a compilation of articles on all sorts of subjects by a wide variety of authors, along the general theme of mis/dis-information. most of it is *superb*, although a few entries do border on conspiracy theory. (ie.. buzz aldrin's testimony of his encounters with flying saucers in his post-astronaut days as an AF test pilot)
re: history in schools...
one of the articles is about the theoretical background involved in the founding of the american educational system. the men who wrote the books that molded our school system had no shame at all that they were designing a system to create citizens who could do repetitive work all day without thinking too much or asking too many questions of the people in charge. they said very specifically that their goal was to have a small number of people leading the unthinking masses. complacence, conformity, and obedience are more important than reading, writing, and 'rithemetic. one of their influences was the prussian system which had been devised to strengthen their nation (with ignorant masses) after their defeat by napoleon. they had concluded that their population was 'soft' ... too much individuality, art and such.
while it has certainly evolved some with modern values (my teachers told me i could accomplish anything, but at the same time forced on me the BS of the system), it is no surprise to me that a system with such roots continues to churn out such ignorant and troubled people.
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CLOWNS WIT DA DOWNS 4 LIFE YO!
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the men who wrote the books that molded our school system had no shame at all that they were designing a system to create citizens who could do repetive work all day without thinking too much or asking too many questions of the people in charge. |
There's a big, fascinating essay on this on Everything You Know Is Wrong (as Xeones probably knows.) I, too, recommend both of the books. Many of the essays are just super (although YABLT had a wee bit too many drug war essays and EYKIW's Lucre section was, shall we say, a bit underwhelming). I especially love YABTL's essays about Columbine, Al Gore, communist conspiracies and that 'parents have nothing to do with how their children turn up' thingy and EYKIW's essays about EU, Waco, the untouchables of India, prostitution, the so-called youth troubles, the aforementioned essay about public schools. and that "Postcards from the Planet of Freaks" essay. And all the Howard Bloom essays and interviews in both books.)
There's a third book out recently, BTW, called Abuse Your Illusions, but IMHO it doesn't measure that well. Many of the essays just didn't grab my attention and it didn't even have a reading list! Howard Bloom essay's top rate, though, as always.
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UT, Austin - The live music capital of the world
Jun 2002
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Erm, not quite. Read up on the "Yellow Journalism" of William Randolph Hearst. He thought it was in the best U.S. interest to go to war with Spain, and the Maine incident was just the catalyst he was looking for. There wasn't widespread speculation of the explosion being the fault of the Spanish until Hearst used his newspapers to make false accusations, spread rumors, etc., thereby manipulating public opinion to believe the Spanish were at fault.
Those in power, of course, would/should have known better, but they thought a war was a good idea, too. |
this is was actually happened
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
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IMO, teachers shouldnt give opinions, or state them as empiricle facts, as in that case. Otherwise, its not unlike a mild form of indoctrination to one point of view, and I am of the opinion that education should be about allowing people to form their own views.
In that case, the teacher would say "this is nazi germany and this is bad", or "this is america and this is good (  )", but rather say "this is nazi germany", "this is america". After that, and being presented with neutral, unassuming historical information, the students can make up their own minds.
If the teacher does mention his opinion, he should state it as "this is my opinion, america is good", which serves as the basis of a debate that can follow that. Of course, whenever someone states something like that, we assume it to be their opinions, but kids and secondary school students are less likely to understand it, I used to default to; "my history says it, thus it is true".
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Diety of Kidiverse
Mar 2003
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Originally posted by elijah
IMO, teachers shouldnt give opinions, or state them as empiricle facts, as in that case. Otherwise, its not unlike a mild form of indoctrination to one point of view, and I am of the opinion that education should be about allowing people to form their own views.
In that case, the teacher would say "this is nazi germany and this is bad", or "this is america and this is good ( )", but rather say "this is nazi germany", "this is america". After that, and being presented with neutral, unassuming historical information, the students can make up their own minds.
If the teacher does mention his opinion, he should state it as "this is my opinion, america is good", which serves as the basis of a debate that can follow that. Of course, whenever someone states something like that, we assume it to be their opinions, but kids and secondary school students are less likely to understand it, I used to default to; "my history says it, thus it is true". |
The teacher should only give opinion after the course is over and if the students ask him or her. During the course the teacher should present alternate view points, especially to the textbook view point. The teacher should also create an environment where students feel comfortable forming and talking about their opinions.
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Whaleboy
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
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The teacher should only give opinion after the course is over and if the students ask him or her. During the course the teacher should present alternate view points, especially to the textbook view point. The teacher should also create an environment where students feel comfortable forming and talking about their opinions
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Indeed, but when a teacher presents their views as fact, especially considering that they are in a position to give people "facts", then I find that unacceptable. If they give me the bare information, no editorialising, then I can form my own views. They can state their own opinions, but make it clear as kids dont assume its not necessarily fact. In that sense, their own views as "guidelines" or "suggestions" for those forming individual views, but not to be forced on people.
This kind of consideration in teachers of others views, or the limitations of ones own (particularly in the context of the classroom) will probably be difficult for most teachers, who, lets face it, in general weren't at the top of the queue when the big guy upstairs was handing out IQ scores. However, it is essential, and all the good teachers I've ever had have respected this.
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