17-07-2003 08:14									#211
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I thought the Stalin Fammine was the result of the BS put out of that BS geneticist Lyshenko (sp?). Make winter wheat into spring wheat my @ss.

	17-07-2003 08:21									#212
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I'm actually interested in 2 things: 1) Do you even believe that the Soviets engineered the Ukrainian famine and 2) what you believe the casualties were if you do think they engineered it. Your answers to those two questions will determin if we can have a productive discussion on the topic.

1) I don't know.
2) I'm not sure about exact number, but sure that it's nowhere near your 10 millions. Because it's absolutely illogical to claim that alomst every second Ukranian was killed.

Propaganda knows much more about this. You should ask him.

	17-07-2003 08:22									#213
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quote: Originally posted by Odin Lyshenko (sp?).

Lysenko.

	17-07-2003 08:23									#214
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Propaganda knows much more about this. You should ask him.

I already asked if you knew the number batted around by the Stalin apologists. Why would I go around searching for known liars own my own?

	17-07-2003 08:36									#215
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Oh, excuse me, I forget that Native Americans never populated territory of modern Canada and that Canadians never particpated in extermination of Native Americans.

Actually...did Canada exterminate Native Americans? I really don't know.

	17-07-2003 08:38									#216
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Oh, excuse me, I forget that Native Americans never populated territory of modern Canada and that Canadians never particpated in extermination of Native Americans.

BTW, that dosen't change the fact that you responded to Canadians by dumping on Americans. Again.

	17-07-2003 08:44									#217
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I already asked if you knew the number batted around by the Stalin apologists. Why would I go around searching for known liars own my own?

IIRC, you never proved that his data is wrong. How could you call him liar?
BAM.

	17-07-2003 08:44									#218
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Actually...did Canada exterminate Native Americans? I really don't know.

They did.

	17-07-2003 08:46									#219
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk BTW, that dosen't change the fact that you responded to Canadians by dumping on Americans. Again.

Technically Canadians are Americans, because they populate North American continent.

	17-07-2003 08:48									#220
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quote: Originally posted by Serb They did.

Please, do go on.

	17-07-2003 08:48									#221
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Technically Canadians are Americans, because they populate North American continent.

Now you're just being silly.

	17-07-2003 08:49									#222
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quote: Originally posted by Serb IIRC, you never proved that his data is wrong.

He never posts anything. He just cuts and pastes.

quote: How could you call him liar?

Stalin apologists get the same respect from me Hitler apologists do.

	17-07-2003 08:54									#223
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Now you're just being silly.

Canada is not located on North American continent?

	17-07-2003 08:55									#224
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quote: Canada is not located on North American continent?

The term "American" is used specifically do describe people from the US... silly bear!

	17-07-2003 08:57									#225
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Please, do go on.

They put them in reservations and beat their children if they spoke on their native language. You can always find something about this using search engine. Don't want to waste my time making search for you.

	17-07-2003 08:58									#226
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quote: Originally posted by Serb I like American aproach. It's just great. When America kill someone it's OK, because those bastards are enemies of Americans. When Soviets (Soviets, even not Russians) kill someone, Soviets are evil motherf*ckers and it doesn't really matters that Soviets considered their victims as enemies too. For Stalin his victims were enemies also, the enemies of system he lived under. You said that US never slaughtered its own citizens on a mass scale, what about American civil war? Wasn't it a mass scale slaughter? You forget that there was a civil war in Russia after the revolution and after civil war society was still split. On one side were supporters of new Soviet system, on the other side were their former enemies who lost civil war. The guys who lost civil war still were hostile to new Soviet society and still tried their best to somehow hurt the Soviets. And for Soviets they weren't part of thier Soviet system, they were enemies. Just like Native Americans were enemies for Americans.

err... since when were indians of the frontier american citizens? ill answer this for you, they werent. they were foreign, and we killed them. again, ill repeat myself, im NOT justifying this in anyway, just making the CLEAR difference between waring with foreigners and slaughtering your own people, men owmen and children, in masse. yes, native american men and women were massacred in a few ocasions, but NO WHERE near the number of Stalins purges... and again, they werent our own citiznes.

Were those slaughtered by stalin soviet citizens? yes. they were.

and no, the civil war was a war, not a massacre. and no, the south was a completely differnt country (political entity) from the north. no innocent people were slaughterd, only soldiers

and yes, im sure all those women and children were SOOO hostile to the new regime... please. a huge percentage of those killed didnt even have anything to do with the civil war

	17-07-2003 09:00									#227
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quote: Originally posted by Sava The term "American" is used specifically do describe people from the US... silly bear!

Greedy Yanks, first stolen the country from natives, then stolen the name that belongs to all inhabitants of American continent. Shame on you.

	17-07-2003 09:04									#228
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quote: Greedy Yanks, first stolen the country from natives, then stolen the name that belongs to all inhabitants of American continent. Shame on you.

bah, I wasn't around then... my family didn't come here until 1958

Anyways, even though America commited genocide, I think Russia has a larger bodycount in terms of ethnic natives. And the US isn't still bombing the native peoples they killed. *coughcheneya*

	17-07-2003 09:04									#229
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Greedy Yanks, first stolen the country from natives, then stolen the name that belongs to all inhabitants of American continent. Shame on you.

oh please, do you really want to get started on 'stealing' land, my russian friend?

	17-07-2003 09:05									#230
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc He never posts anything. He just cuts and pastes.[q]

It calls a quote from source.

quote: Stalin apologists get the same respect from me Hitler apologists do

Fine, but if you call someone a liar, you should prove that this person speak lies. You never proved this, so your claim is nothing more than bald assertion.

	17-07-2003 09:07									#231
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman oh please, do you really want to get started on 'stealing' land, my russian friend?

Russians never steal lands, my American buddy.
Whole world belongs to Mother Russia.

	17-07-2003 09:07									#232
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j/k of course only 1/7 of world's terrtory belongs to Mother Russia.

Last edited by Serb on 17-07-2003 at 09:13

	17-07-2003 09:15									#233
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no your not. you are like me, i think, in that you believe that might makes right. If you can take the land by force, then who's to say your wrong? the people you took it from? they cant whine much about being conquered when they are A) dead or B) assimilated into the new culture.

	17-07-2003 09:16									#234
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quote: Originally posted by Serb j/k of course only 1/7 of world's terrtory belongs to Mother Russia.

what, like 60-70% is frozen tundra... wow, that's valuable real estate!

	17-07-2003 09:26									#235
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Full of gold, diamonds, gas, oil, timber and bunch of other resources. You'll be screaming for mercy, when you'll be out of gas.

	17-07-2003 09:29									#236
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You got all that? Wow.

So...why aren't you, you know, using it?

	17-07-2003 09:30									#237
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Full of gold, diamonds, gas, oil, timber and bunch of other resources. You'll be screaming for mercy, when you'll be out of gas.

nah, I'll be flying around in my rocket car (Jetson's style) while you will be standing out in -50 degree weather with a pickaxe, mining for mother Russia.

	17-07-2003 09:30									#238
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman no your not. you are like me, i think, in that you believe that might makes right. If you can take the land by force, then who's to say your wrong? the people you took it from? they cant whine much about being conquered when they are A) dead or B) assimilated into the new culture.

Unfortunately this is what our world is all about. The stronger eats the weaker.

	17-07-2003 09:33									#239
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk You got all that? Wow. So...why aren't you, you know, using it?

We are waiting till prices will be high enough. Then we'll start selling, buy some fancy boomstiks and conquer the world.










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	17-07-2003 09:38									#240
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quote: Originally posted by Sava nah, I'll be flying around in my rocket car (Jetson's style) while you will be standing out in -50 degree weather with a pickaxe, mining for mother Russia.

Just a single note: not with usuall pickaxe, but with muli-bareled, all weather, fully automatic, 20 rounds, surface to air, anti-rocket car, plasma pickaxe Mk2.
Enjoy your flight.