17-07-2003 09:39									#241
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Unfortunately this is what our world is all about. The stronger eats the weaker.

Unfortunately? perhaps... it'll be a fine day when the world isnt a jungle and international politics isnt just a big game of passive agression. Frankly, until that happens, im glad im in one of the stronger countries that genuinely does try to help the weaker, when it is in our interests, of course, but rarely do we eat them for purely our own gain

	17-07-2003 09:46									#242
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Just a single note: not with usuall pickaxe, but with muli-bareled, all weather, fully automatic, 20 rounds, surface to air, anti-rocket car, plasma pickaxe Mk2. Enjoy your flight.

	17-07-2003 09:47									#243
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Iraq? Oil? Billions of bucks. Does the bell rings?

	17-07-2003 09:49									#244
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I'm getting the impression that your bell's been ringing for quite a while, now.

	17-07-2003 09:59									#245
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Iraq? Oil? Billions of bucks. Does the bell rings?

Note the bold text

quote: Unfortunately? perhaps... it'll be a fine day when the world isnt a jungle and international politics isnt just a big game of passive agression. Frankly, until that happens, im glad im in one of the stronger countries that genuinely does try to help the weaker, when it is in our interests , of course, but rarely do we eat them for purely our own gain

we get rid of Saddam and give iraq democracy, we assure there are no WoMD and have garunteed access to oil

	17-07-2003 10:09									#246
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I hardly can call an invasion a help to weaker. As for me it's typical example when stronger eats weaker.

	17-07-2003 10:15									#247
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if we were pillaging their country side and raping their women instead of rebuilding their infrastructure/government, and helping their nation back on their feet from decades of despotic rule, then i would agree with you. if you think this is the stronger eating the weaker, then indeed every action ever taken by any nation has been the case.

	17-07-2003 10:21									#248
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I hardly can call an insertion of concil of your puppets as rebuilding of their government. As for rebuilding of infrastructure...sure you do rebuild it. Without it how could you pump their oil of of their country?

	17-07-2003 10:24									#249
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is that what they tell you in russia?

	17-07-2003 10:37									#250
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Who are "they"?

	17-07-2003 12:06									#251
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Well, this went places. Mission accomplished.

	17-07-2003 12:54									#252
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Yes, right through the Russian looking glass.

	17-07-2003 13:00									#253
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What are you talking about?
Please educate silly foreigner what the hell is "Well, this went places. " mean?

	17-07-2003 13:32									#254
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That fish just won't leave the hook alone. The Newfies should be so lucky.

	17-07-2003 13:41									#255
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Is it some kind of coded transmition to the Mad Monk? Cherokee language?

	17-07-2003 14:22									#256
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Yes, and now you must decode it.

	17-07-2003 15:27									#257
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Unfortunately my Cherokee language is even worse than my English.

I'll try, but I'm not really sure I get it right.
- "Well, this went places."
I guess it means "This thread was threadjacked again. Everything returns to normal status (US bashing)"
- "Yes, right through the Russian looking glass."
I guess it means "Yes, thanks to crazy Ivan"
- "That fish just won't leave the hook alone. The Newfies should be so lucky."
It's the hardest riddle. I don't know what 'Newfies' means. But probably this transmition was corrupted somehow and it miss a couple of symbols. If I'll put two symbols into second line it will be "New flies" instead of 'Newfies'. Then I guess whole saying means- " Oh... it's Serb again, we are glad to see him in this thread".

Could you please explain what those sayings really mean? I doubt I really get their meanning.

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	17-07-2003 15:40									#258
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Do you have any idea about suicide rate among prisoners of American concentration camps? I guess not, I bet you think those people felt like they were on vacation.

	17-07-2003 15:47									#259
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Yeah, right. Those Japanese Americans were quite happy to live in those nice, fancy looking camps surrounded by barbed wire and guarded by nice looking, freindly and highly educated people, armed with harmless rifles. Some of them were so happy that they decided to stay there forever because it was the place where they found peace and harmony. They are still there, resting in peace.

	17-07-2003 15:58									#260
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Yeah, right. Those Japanese Americans were quite happy to live in those nice, fancy looking camps surrounded by barbed wire and guarded by nice looking, freindly and highly educated people, armed with harmless rifles. Some of them were so happy that they decided to stay there forever because it was the place where they found peace and harmony. They are still there, resting in peace.

if you would just use that internet search engine

the site of the state dep with the numbers aint that hard to find


going back to sleep

	17-07-2003 16:02									#261
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Yeah, I'm sure the site of state dep. have plaenty of amazing stories about happy life of Japanese Americans in camps and plenty of accurate numbers.

	17-07-2003 16:09									#262
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Yeah, I'm sure the site of state dep. have plaenty of amazing stories about happy life of Japanese Americans in camps and plenty of accurate numbers.

*sigh*


if you would only try ones in a while to find the thruth , ..........

	21-07-2003 03:56									#263
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Yeah, I'm sure the site of state dep. have plaenty of amazing stories about happy life of Japanese Americans in camps and plenty of accurate numbers.

It is so hard for me to imagine that someone puts more faith in Soviet 'facts' and 'statistics' than American...

I dont know what they taught you in school, serb, but most Americans TRY to expsoe the goverment whenever they can. Because of this, and the fact there is no incentive for the state depratment to lie, they simplely tell the facts. In a democracy, its muuuuch different than it was in the soviet union. Russia today probably has reliable information on the things it did not have 20 years ago, because it is now a 'republic' (tho that is questionable... the fall of communism in russia was indeed sad, not because communism fell, but because of how it fell. A few bastards raped russias industry for their own good, and made a few quick billions($) at the countries expense. Some great leaders those former politburo were, huh?)

	21-07-2003 04:55									#264
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Yeah, right. Those Japanese Americans were quite happy to live in those nice, fancy looking camps surrounded by barbed wire and guarded by nice looking, freindly and highly educated people, armed with harmless rifles. Some of them were so happy that they decided to stay there forever because it was the place where they found peace and harmony. They are still there, resting in peace.

Ignorance is bliss, eh Serb? Pride in one's country or culture is just fine, but such blatent manipulation of facts and ignoring ones own transgressions would make Pravda proud. One special quality of Americans is the public discussion of our past actions.
P.S. For great reading on a perspective of Japanese-Americans in WW2, try reading this
It's by Senator Inouye, and its his bio, mostly about the service in WW2. Being a realist, you probably won't read it out of spite. Prove me wriong

	21-07-2003 06:18									#265
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I hope Serb is not asserting some kind of equivalence between the Gulag, German and Japanese treatment of civilians and the American detention camps for Japanese Americans.

I've read a lot of literature from survivors of the Gulag, and historical accounts of the deliberate mistreatment/murder/enslavement of non-combatants by Germany and Japan, from a variety sources (military and civilian).

In no way is there any kind of comparison- and I say that as a proud critic of foreign and domestic American policies.

Serb's just baiting and trolling, so don't bite.

	21-07-2003 06:36									#266
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Serb's just baiting and trolling, so don't bite.

quote: I hope Serb is not asserting some kind of equivalence between the Gulag, German and Japanese treatment of civilians and the American detention camps for Japanese Americans.

I don't. Still, I think it wasn't one of the greatest pages in American history.
The only point I'make is that every country have its own f*ck ups. We had Gulags. Your beloved Western democracies had extermination of Native Americans, dention camps, colonialism, imperialism, etc.

	21-07-2003 06:40									#267
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quote: Originally posted by gopher Pride in one's country or culture is just fine, but such blatent manipulation of facts and ignoring ones own transgressions would make Pravda proud.

Thank you.

	21-07-2003 06:58									#268
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quote: Originally posted by Serb I don't. Still, I think it wasn't one of the greatest pages in American history. The only point I'make is that every country have its own f*ck ups. We had Gulags. Your beloved Western democracies had extermination of Native Americans, dention camps, colonialism, imperialism, etc.

Not quite true: you were making a deliberate comparison between the American detention camps and German extermination camps by using the emotive term
'concentration camps'.

To validate this comparison you would have to show that the purpose of the camps and the treatment of the inmates was in some way similar.

They weren't, of course.

Soviet Russia didn't just have Gulags- it also had the Red Army purges, 'show trials', 'Soviet science' (holding back genuine Russian scientific achievement for Stalinist correctness) and anti-semitism/racism and imperialism of its own (Tatars, Volga Germans, the Baltic republics...).

I say this not in anti-Soviet or anti-Russian way, but if you are going to make invidious comparisons, then you should at least be scrupulous about who you are comparing with whom, or which method of detention with which method of extermination.

	21-07-2003 07:00									#269
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman I dont know what they taught you in school, serb, but most Americans TRY to expsoe the goverment whenever they can.

quote: Because of this, and the fact there is no incentive for the state depratment to lie, they simplely tell the facts.

That was good.

	21-07-2003 07:02									#270
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Not quite true: you were making a deliberate comparison between the American detention camps and German extermination camps by using the emotive term 'concentration camps'.

I thought that he was refering to British Actions during the Boer War. However, that maybe presuming to much of Serb.