14-07-2003 14:20									#1
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It's on again, Super League, the team ladder.

Basically, it's teams of 2, playing off against the other teams for points, both in 2 and 4 player games (in teams). There was quite an elaborate points system in the 1st season (link below), but everythings up for renogotiation at this stage.

I for one would like to see a draw, every team playing every other team, and 2 teams only playing each other once in single player games (ie, if teammember A1 from A plays Teammember B1 from B, A2 cannot play B2)


But, as I say, the purpose of this thread is to thrash these details out.

Thankyou checkMate for volunteering to keep the ladder updated.

Oh, by the way, last season single player games counted (if both players agreed) in the PBEM Challenge Ladder, I suggest we maintain this.

Here's the second thread of the 1st season, the link to the 1st thread will be on it.

	14-07-2003 14:33									#2
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how about a pure table of teams, like the word 'League' suggests ?

doesnt have to exclude any part of the current system. might be an addition.

what i mean is this:

the 'League' consists of all the 2 person teams and every team plays every other team.
there is a score for winning games (matches) and an in-game detailed score (score).

the first criterion for the ranking table then are the matches won by a team. in case of a tie with another team, the score will determine the position.

for example, the completed table after a season might look like this:

Rank / Team / Match Points / Total Matches / Score

1. / Team E / 9 / 5 / 67
2. / Team C / 6 / 5 / 45
3. / Team D / 6 / 5 / 38
4. / Team A / 5 / 5 / 42
5. / Team F / 3 / 5 / 29
6. / Team B / 1 / 5 / 28

got the point ?
what do you think ?

	14-07-2003 14:43									#3
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	14-07-2003 14:44									#4
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one way or the other,
im in with you, ricketyclik, if you still want me.

	15-07-2003 00:02									#5
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	15-07-2003 00:59									#6
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does this mean that the league goes into a new season and/or complete restart ?

	15-07-2003 03:29									#7
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	15-07-2003 04:37									#8
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Are we going to have a similar team draw to last time (i.e. the players are divided into strong and weak, and strong pairs with weak)?

I think this is how the teams were "reletavely" even last time.

Also, I concur with Rickety about everyone playing everyone (except for teams). The 2x2 games should still count for double points, and speed of victory should be accounted for.

Either way, I'm in for another season

	15-07-2003 04:50									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Frozzy Are we going to have a similar team draw to last time (i.e. the players are divided into strong and weak, and strong pairs with weak)? I think this is how the teams were "reletavely" even last time. Also, I concur with Rickety about everyone playing everyone (except for teams). The 2x2 games should still count for double points, and speed of victory should be accounted for. Either way, I'm in for another season

so what kind of ranking system are we talking about here ?
and what is the basic concept of it, meaning who gets ranked for what ?

i would suggest the league system i described above, possibly with single player games thrown in.

each team would play each other team once in a 2on2 game and would choose a 'representative' in each of 4 single player games with each other team.

so considering 5 teams total, there would be 4 team games for each team and 4 single player games, two of which player 1 of the team would play and two of which player 2 would play (so as to divide the single player games evenly among the team members).

a team game would count as 2 points, a single player game as 1 point.
the speed and other criteria used before would go into the 'score' of the teams, which, as stated above, would be tie-breakers if the match points of two teams are equal.

	15-07-2003 05:41									#10
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Last round I think (IIRC):

1x1: 1 pt for leading at the *9
10 pts for winning
+10 for winning via Bloodlust
+5 for winning in under 150 turns

2 pts for your team if 1st
1 pt for your team if 2nd
20 pts for winning
+15 for winning via Bloodlust
+10 for winning in Under 150 turns

All these points were accredited to your team total.

	15-07-2003 06:55									#11
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so there was only a team ranking, but each player could also gain points for his team by winning single player games ?

	15-07-2003 10:21									#12
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Yes.

	15-07-2003 10:54									#13
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Math I like your idea for the new season, I think it will work fine with the rules from the old season. The major problem with having superleague seasons is that the 4-player game lasts so much longer than the 2-person match does. Math in case you didn't know, we are all still playing our 2 vs 2 games from the first season.

I think we need to discuss a way to get past this. Maybe we should have each player play every other player from opposing teams, but only one single-player at a time between teams. For example, A1 would play B2, and after that game ended, B1 would play A2. At the same time, A1 and A2 would be playing B1 and B2 in a 2 vs. 2 game.

We can also make a rule that all 2 vs. 2 matches have to be on a tiny map, which should speed up the game significantly.

	15-07-2003 11:08									#14
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quote: We can also make a rule that all 2 vs. 2 matches have to be on a tiny map, which should speed up the game significantly.

And with Keygen's quick start mod, and the turn go full circle within 48 hours or points will be deducted. If a player is away, his partner can play the turn for him.

	15-07-2003 13:34									#15
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i'd rather have the games last longer than deduct points or fun (like tiny maps which i dont like too much)

but i like your idea, david, to have the second single player match start when the first ended. this way, there is also some kind of revenge involved.

quick start mod is a good idea, though im quite a purist and generally prefer no to use such 'helping' mods that even out the starting conditions, but i see that it will likely be necessary.

how long has it been since the start of last season ?
i mean i real season i sports like soccer, football, ... take a full year too.

	15-07-2003 14:49									#16
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Around nine months. I am certain that if we had sorted out the early teething problems it would be near completion by now.

	15-07-2003 14:52									#17
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"teething" problems ?

	15-07-2003 16:18									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician "teething" problems ?

Basically lack of commitment from some players.

I think the idea of pairing weak with strong is good. I'll put up my hand right now as moderately weak.

	15-07-2003 17:26									#19
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hmm. i dont know, as what do i count then ?
i used to beat you, rickety, but that was only one game (though very clear ) and in our current game i seem to have a slight lead too...

	15-07-2003 17:51									#20
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From what I can tell, I'd classify you "moderately strong". Please don't take offense

	15-07-2003 21:39									#21
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Ok, I would like to join. I think I can talk Dr. Doom into being my partner. Someone please email me the details j_rustad@telus.net

	15-07-2003 21:58									#22
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quote: Originally posted by ricketyclik From what I can tell, I'd classify you "moderately strong". Please don't take offense

why should i ?

	16-07-2003 08:18									#23
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Speaking of pairing, I would prefer to stay with my partner from last season, Hatschy, but will go along with any decision the community makes.

	16-07-2003 08:32									#24
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Yes, I was thinking that as far as the old teams go they should stay the same. The new teams may be formed by any means.

	16-07-2003 12:06									#25
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Right... so...

Players:
checkMate
RicketyClik
FlameFlash
Frozzy
Math?
Yoda?
Dr. Doom??
Milamber
Nimrod
Hatschy?

That's ten... exactly what we started with last time. Enough, IMO. I will e-mail Yoda, too.

	16-07-2003 12:27									#26
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even though i may be extremely late, is there still room for another?

	16-07-2003 12:47									#27
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You're not late at all. If another person wants to join, you're in

	16-07-2003 14:56									#28
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Then I would join.

	16-07-2003 15:19									#29
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12 people

	16-07-2003 18:08									#30
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does that mean protoss and pave are a team ?
is the system i suggested accepted by everyone or are we using an (old ?) system i would need to get explained myself ?