25-07-2003 00:41									#91
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If I were a California Green, I'd put my hat in the ring.

	25-07-2003 00:59									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Japher: I think you can attribute the power deregulation to higher costs... (although Davis might be responsible for that, I'm not sure...)

No, the deregulation scheme was the brainchild of Pete "Git These Damn Mezkins Outta Here" Wilson. Then Enron and other Bush buddies played the deregulated system. Davis pretty much signed those contracts under duress while CA was having sever power outages. The present contracts, at the time they were signed, were needed to keep the power flowing.

"Scapegoat", Japher? Why scapegoat Davis when the whole thing was a regulatory failure caused by Wilson and exaserbated by Bush. Place blame where it belongs.

Don't get me wrong - Davis is the sort of democrat that makes me vote Green. By don't hang this albatros around his neck. This turkey was Republican in origin.

	25-07-2003 01:04									#93
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At least the Arn is a real compassionate conservative. Everyone I know who's ever met him, says that he's a wonderful guy.

Being a politician could tarnish his image though.

	25-07-2003 01:11									#94
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quote: Originally posted by The Templar No, the deregulation scheme was the brainchild of Pete "Git These Damn Mezkins Outta Here" Wilson. Then Enron and other Bush buddies played the deregulated system. Davis pretty much signed those contracts under duress while CA was having sever power outages. The present contracts, at the time they were signed, were needed to keep the power flowing. "Scapegoat", Japher? Why scapegoat Davis when the whole thing was a regulatory failure caused by Wilson and exaserbated by Bush. Place blame where it belongs. Don't get me wrong - Davis is the sort of democrat that makes me vote Green. By don't hang this albatros around his neck. This turkey was Republican in origin.

The Templar, of course the deregulation structure lead to the crisis. But Davis did nothing for at least eight months while Rome burned. By the time he acted, it was too late. The damage had been done. Permanent damage that will have very long term reprocussions.

Even after he acted, his solution of getting the government into the business of buying power was typically Democrat and stupid. He should have instead let the power companies enter into long term contracts and simply assumed the debt the power companies took on because of the difference between the cost of power and the prices they could sell it that were mandated by law.

	25-07-2003 01:17									#95
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quote: Originally posted by The Templar Place blame where it belongs.

On the Democrat-controlled Legistlature of California?

	25-07-2003 01:18									#96
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Both parties are responsible for the mess..

	25-07-2003 01:28									#97
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc On the Democrat-controlled Legistlature of California?

**** them too for going along.

And Ned, I'm not sure that Davis could have done much at that point. Moreover, the power companies were not to be trusted at that point either.

	25-07-2003 02:34									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Show me a candidate, from either party, who has a definite solution to the budget crisis in your state, and I'll withdraw my objection.

First thing is to find someone with the ability to actually compromise and move a budget deal through the Legislature. Davis has so little popular support, and is so inclined to reverse himself and/or not follow through on anything he does that he has no clout with the legislature, even among his own party.

The simple fact of the voters replacing Davis will send a message to everyone to stop ****ing around. Ultimately, to solve the problem, you're going to need someone with enough knowledge of how the state government is structured to be able to tap a lot of special purpose funds lying around, and someone with the balls to take on state agencies and special purpose agencies (DWP for one).

	25-07-2003 02:41									#99
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I have a question. As a voter (were I in California) would I be able to vote NO on the recall, but still validly vote for a successor in case the recall vote succeeds.

Yes.

The way it works is that you vote up or down on the recall question, and optionally vote on a replacement on a separate section of the same ballot.

If you do not vote yes or no on the recall, but select a candidate, that is not be a valid vote - you must vote either yes or no on the recall question in order to vote for a candidate, but it doesn't matter whether you vote yes or no, as long as you do vote on the question.

	25-07-2003 02:43									#100
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Once again I am seeing it, and I have posted this observation many times to which everyone says that is not true:

When a dem is in office all their mistakes are because of something a repub did years ago (sometimes decades), but when a repub is in office all their mistakes are due to that repub...

I love it.

	25-07-2003 02:47									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Japher we don't need an economic genius here, we need someone who will not get pushed around or sit on their hands.

Actually, you need both, and someone with in-depth knowledge of public finance law and the mechanics of the state bureacracy. Running California is not like running any other state - there is a huge amount of money, huge number of employees, and a large number of nominally subordinate empires (the state special purpose agencies) which are primarily non-general fund financed, and which have relatively little accountability to the governor.

Economics and finance knowledge are essential, because there are a number of valid structural reasons that state services costs more to deliver in California compared to other states, but, there is also a huge amount of money lost to fluff, empire games, and relatively poor accountability.

	25-07-2003 02:48									#102
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MtG for governor! The OTF needs to lay claim to its own state.

	25-07-2003 02:52									#103
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If I didn't despise the idea of living in Sacramento, taking a sizeable pay cut, and dealing with those asswipes in the legislature again (In the mid-90's I had to register as a state lobbyist for some work I was doing that involved dealing with legislative committees), I'd consider it.

A lot of people wouldn't like the short-term results if I won, though.

	25-07-2003 02:56									#104
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat A lot of people wouldn't like the short-term results if I won, though.

Would cutting waste piss off that many people?

Anyway I don't live in California, so I'd be cheering you on to glory.

	25-07-2003 03:01									#105
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Yeah, everyone gets 4-5 hours off each day while poly is down

Freedom of speech, however, would be right out as you can no longer say **** you, you **** son-of-a-*****, and while I'm at it **************'* **** *** * **** *******.... so there....

At least there wouldn't be any silly spam floating around.

	25-07-2003 03:02									#106
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Would cutting waste piss off that many people?

You'd get into a war with the different sub-empires and the state bureacracy, who'd generally try to sabotage you by doing a slow wobble.

There are also a lot of union contractors and big unions that get fat off of state work, so they'd be pissed.

The Republicans would be pissed because I would extract short term tax increases from them.

The Dems would be pissed because I'd ream the trial lawyers association for a start.

quote: Anyway I don't live in California, so I'd be cheering you on to glory.

Glory it ain't. Although in the summer, Sacramento can almost remind you of Mississippi.

	25-07-2003 03:08									#107
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Sacramento is not that bad, though it's no SD...

As a Repub. I would have no quams with the extraction of short term tax increases as long as there were some actual changes going on that benefited the public.

	25-07-2003 03:19									#108
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Of all the possible Republican replacements I like Arny the best. He at least isn't a political ideologue.

	25-07-2003 03:21									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Sacramento is not that bad, though it's no SD...

Tell me about it. I foolishly moved from one to the other.

On the up side in another six months to a year and a half I'll be able to move back to SD and get a good mid-level position. At least that's my plan.

	25-07-2003 03:55									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Sacramento is not that bad, though it's no SD... As a Repub. I would have no quams with the extraction of short term tax increases as long as there were some actual changes going on that benefited the public.

Well, the governor's office itself is nice, in that "put the peons in their place, and show who is the high and mighty one" way.

He probably accounts for about half the air conditioning in the capitol building though, unless they've remodeled it since the last time.

	25-07-2003 04:00									#111
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quote: He probably accounts for about half the air conditioning in the capitol building though, unless they've remodeled it since the last time.

I think they did after that psycho ran into it with his semi several years ago...

	25-07-2003 04:13									#112
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quote: Like in Civ when you do bad and like they say you'll be known as, "Ted the Loser," or "Ted the Incompetent."

In Civ I the rating screen said you were "better than the following rulers" of which the lowest was Dan Quayle.

Arnold would do well because what California needs isn't a plan (it's got lots of plans to solve the crisis already) but someone who's got the guts to implement the unpopular things such as tax hikes or service cuts. Unlike the other professional politicians, Arnold's film career gives him something else to fall back on, and also gives him an existing positive image among his fans. When the tax hike hits people would be more likely to blame Davis than Arnold. The same may not be true for the other people.

	25-07-2003 05:55									#113
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Yeah, MtG, throw your hat into the ring as a Democrat. You just might win as the Republican vote is likely to be badly split.

	25-07-2003 06:45									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Sava It's good to see somebody can present rational information to support the recall, rather than idiotic claims of success comparisons to myself. BTW, it seems like a lot of the same people bashing Davis for his fiscal policy are the same one's giving Bush a pass on his. (not you though MtG) Show me a candidate with a solution. Everyone can point out the problem.

Well you going to have to wait since only one person that has said he would run for governor is Darrel Issa, but I have not heard much from him yet. One possible candidate that knows a lot about the buget on the republican side but his name escapes me at the moment and he has lots of ideas. One thing is that at this point Sava anyone would do better then Davis with this mess.

	25-07-2003 06:49									#115
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Every nut with 65 friends and $3500 dollars will be in that ballot: that will be one long ballot.

People in Cali are so nutty: our governor in NY also told bald faced lies about the impending budget crisis, then the legislature rammed through a budget, he vetoed it, and the next day the legislature overrode his veto..

You guys don;t even know how to pull of croocked politics right!

	25-07-2003 09:42									#116
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Every nut with 65 friends and $3500 dollars will be in that ballot: that will be one long ballot. People in Cali are so nutty: our governor in NY also told bald faced lies about the impending budget crisis, then the legislature rammed through a budget, he vetoed it, and the next day the legislature overrode his veto.. You guys don;t even know how to pull of croocked politics right!

Hear, hear!

	25-07-2003 14:07									#117
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This could be a real catastrophe for the Republicans. if they run multiple candidates and the Dems run just one. Assume the Dem got 40% of the vote and 4 Republicans split 60%!

In order to make sense out of this, the Republicans need to select just one candidate.

	25-07-2003 14:43									#118
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The best Arnold prank call site:

http://www.celebrityprankcalls.com/

	25-07-2003 15:08									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Ned This could be a real catastrophe for the Republicans. if they run multiple candidates and the Dems run just one. Assume the Dem got 40% of the vote and 4 Republicans split 60%! In order to make sense out of this, the Republicans need to select just one candidate.

Naah. Cali's so solidly democratic, and the state Republican Party is so broke, that they're not going to back anyone to take over as governor in a disaster. Think about it - the other seven elected state officers are all Dems, as are solid majorities in both legislative houses. There's nothing to gain for the Reps, because even if the mess gets fixed under a new Dem governor, they can still blame the Dems for causing a mess in the first place.

The party is too broke for a governorship to be a steppingstone to the Senate. Feinstein isn't challengeable, and the national party won't subsidize a campaign against Boxer, because she's a great ally for the Republican cause, and Cali campaigning is too damn expensive. If you're on the RNC, the choice between throwing a ton of money into Cali to try and unseat Boxer, or throwing that money into 3-4 small state races for Senate is an easy one.

	25-07-2003 15:48									#120
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat That could be entertaining, once I get some time to work out all the levels and the org chart.

Damn, that would be funny. California's governors would be perfect to illustrate the list by examples too. Reagan, Brown, Davis and perhaps Ah'nold.