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I cannot STAND people who are vegitarians because of concerns over the animals well being........ now dont get me wrong-I am a BIG advocate of animals rights-but no, im not a vegitarian 
If someone tells me they are a vegitarian, as a knee-jerk uncontrollable reaction I cooly say "Oh, healthier diet?" and judge them almost entirley on their response(till they proove otherwise).
Two responses:
1. "Yes, its a healthier diet"
2. "No, I cant stand to think of an animal suffering so I can eat!"
At the same time said person may be wearing levi's, gap or some other item made by slave labor, while stepping over a homeless person on the street........ Let's see you be concerned about human rights before your concerned about animal rights you ###. It DOSENT take much to NOT buy items made by slave/semi slave laborers....... I dont. If everyone some day does it, such companies will stop said practices(though that means the price of clothes will go up, though I can cope with that), and even if that never happens(it isnt likley it will)-you wont have the fact your benifiting from human suffering on your conscience.
Thoughts?
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Main_Brain
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Economic World Center
Jul 2002
time: 06:29
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I hate Cows.
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Vesayen
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quote:
Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
Well it is better to start somewhere than not to start at all, and if thought of butchering and poor living conditions that farmed animals have helps them stop eat meat - why not? |
It's VERY VERY easy to stop profiting from the human suffering of slave laborers...... stop buying the products! I'd argue its much easier to just buy a different pair of jeans, then to change your diet.......
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Zulu Elephant
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If I heard that some cow or pig was being forced to make Levis for a slaves wage Id be ****ed off!
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st_swithin
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10069
Nov 2002
time: 05:29
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If God hadn't meant for us to eat animals, He wouldn't have made them out of MEAT.
Mmmm....raw cow...
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Gibsie
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all over the proverbial shop
Jan 1970
time: 05:29
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The only defence for wearing leather I've heard is that it's a by-product of the slaughter process, and it'd just go to waste otherwise.
It's always known as a load of bullhockey, whatever that is.
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st_swithin
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10069
Nov 2002
time: 05:29
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Does anyone else want to smack the holy spit out of women who cry REALLY REALLY loudly over REALLY REALLY stupid sh1t?
The Chinese have a saying which, literally translated, has no meaning whatsoever in English. ('Cry again, laugh again, puppy takes a piss.)
The gist of it is that a woman who cries loudly will be laughing soon after a man comes and 'pays attention' to her. Or buys her something, same thing.
I don't know if that's a good thing or not, but I still want to kick holy heck out of loud sobby women who cry for every little, including missing a manicurist appointment or because their SO/bf looked at another girl/boy/animal/streetsign/billboard.
JUST SAY YES TO LOINCLOTHS! Then we won't HAVE to buy uncomfortable sweatshop manufactured clothing!
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Traianvs
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Belgium, land of plenty (corruption)
Jan 2000
time: 06:29
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Vesayen you might as well yell at everybody in the world... You're telling me you've never bought some nike shoes, or some reebok sweater hmmm?
Slave labour by the way is bad, but you don't have to exaggerate. In some areas the work these companies provide (for the wrong reasons of course) is the only means of earning money. If you would move out those factories the people would object to that as they would have nothing now to earn money with. I know it's not fun if you're a child and you have to work in a factory or something all day, but it's better than nothing.
The idea is to gradually improve the situation there, rising the wages after a while etc, unfortunately that's something Nike and Reebok have to do, and they're not always inclined to do that!
About the Vegetarian aspect: I am a veggie because there is a general idea with modern western people that animals are just there to be slaughtered and eaten. That is just despicable in my eyes. You don't have to be a veggie in my eyes, but someone who needs his steak everyday is somebody I despise. First of all the condition in which the animals live and get transported has to be improved big time. Usually pigs for example are simply held in small cages where they can't turn around, so as they grow they will never learn how to stand/walk. This is quite painful you know. This is just one example. Nobody seems to care: if you would say to some of those carnivores to kill the animal, clean it and prepare it they would be too much of a coward for that. That's the attitude I hate.
Also that is life: animals get eatn by other animals. Problem with human dominance is that we are omni-present and we control everything. Nothing controls us, not even viruses or disease can keep us under control, we keep breeding and breeding till we've populated the whole goddamn world. The thing is there should be a well balanced ecology, that's why it is sometimes necessary to actually hunt certain species because they threaten an environment (for example the exotics, a problem we in Belgium have to face... exotic animals that are shipped here by boats etc that start dominate the region because they have no natural enemy), in that case we have to do something. It is more than just hating to see those animals suffer, sure it is an important aspect of it, but still, we should all think about it and stop seeing cows and others as beast bred for our hungry stomachs.
Again you don't have to be a veggie and never eat meat, I mean it's natural, humans eat meat after all, but simply, not the way it is now.
This doesn't mean I don't care for slavery or other things, but I think you are confusing things here, being a veggie hasn't got anything to do with ignoring poor people.
About the leather jacket things. Leather is a byproduct and yes it would as a matter of fact go to waste anyway. Nothing wrong with leather... You can make leather out of human skin as well, I have no problems with that, just like ppl can use my organs when I suddenly die in a car crash or something.. won't need my body anymore anyway.
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:29
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Slave labour is a different point. Even if you were to concede that you are supporting it in buying GAP etc clothing, that is not actually killing a living animal (however having GAP not employ them might, much as it may be immoral). Why should people not care about animal rights? Why should people not care about whether another living creature dies because of them? They're not forcing you to stop killing animals, why force them to eat them? I'm no vegetarian. I enjoy my meat, and I think it is natural, being that we are higher in the food chain. However I accept that some people have a problem with killing an animal to feed themselves, just like I have a problem with killing elephants for ivory, or tigers for their skins.
That you would judge people at all because of what they eat is incredibly prejudiced, like judging someone on their religion. Why should we care about human rights over animal rights? Why can't we care about both too? If someone doesn't shop at GAP, but is a vegetarian, is that alright by you then?
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General Ludd
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Minion of the Dominion
Aug 2001
time: 05:29
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eh, we're all hypocrites in one way or the other. Yeah, I'm a vegitarian mainly for ethical and political reasons, but still I still eat dairy and have the odd leather item, ect... It's better then doing nothing, though. And being all-out vegan is one of my life goals. I've been vegetarian for only a year now, give it time... 
But vegetarians are so easy to blame, since they aren't the norm. What about the hypocracy of meat eaters? There is little that pisses me off more then someone who'll sit down infront of the TV chomping away at a steak and, when a nature documentary comes on showing a lion tearing apart an antilope, will promptly say "ew, that's disgusting. Change the channel, I'm trying to eat here."
EDIT: And you're not a vegetarian, Boris. You still eat fish. There is a word for that diet, but it escapes me.
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27-07-2003 03:43
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I mean, we say that we are the only species capable of truly understanding and effecting our world, yet virtually all of our problems are self-inflicted. Says alot about humanity if you ask me.
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