27-07-2003 06:22									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui That assumes that the deed is good .

OK.. than eat that hormone stuffed, sewage eating, water filled, beef protein enhanced, lived in a 2 square feet cage all its life to be butchered chicken and encourage even more mass prduction, money saving methods to bring cheap food to our tables

	27-07-2003 06:24									#32
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I'd like to see us move more and more towards treating animals humanley. I mean, they live thier entire lives just so we can eat them, we should honor their sacrifice and treat them as well as possible.

Plus when they are being butchered, I don't think they should have to go through the trauma of watching the 10 guys in front of them getting their heads chopped off.

Now, wouldn't the food taste better anyway if it's raised in more humane conditions?

	27-07-2003 06:27									#33
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why do we have 2 threads about animal protection now?

or make that the pointlessness thereof

	27-07-2003 06:28									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I'd like to see us move more and more towards treating animals humanley. I mean, they live thier entire lives just so we can eat them, we should honor their sacrifice and treat them as well as possible. Plus when they are being butchered, I don't think they should have to go through the trauma of watching the 10 guys in front of them getting their heads chopped off. Now, wouldn't the food taste better anyway if it's raised in more humane conditions?

not only taste better but I am sure we who eat it would get less sick...

pre mass production of meat, the animals used to "live" before being eaten, this is not really the case today...

	27-07-2003 06:29									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Now, wouldn't the food taste better anyway if it's raised in more humane conditions?

And you woudln't get all those wonderful things like mad cow or salmonella.




By the way... I forgot to add that the dairy I do eat is mostly organic and free range. Which is a recent change, actually, since I just discovered a organic food co-operative out in the boondocks of sudbury. (which is very much a meat, meat, meat, and potatoes kind of place)

	27-07-2003 13:54									#36
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In vitro meat - the food of the future

quote: One researcher recalls a student, a vegan, who asked if she could just biopsy herself, grow up a steak and eat it. If you want to eat truly victimless meat, perhaps it is time to put yourself on the menu.

	27-07-2003 14:06									#37
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do animals show fear before they are about to be slaughtered?

I think most animals are too stupid to realize what's about to happen.

They only recognize fear in the form of predators.

	27-07-2003 14:10									#38
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Go meat!

I don't hate vegans. I just think they're demented, crazy, and just plain WRONG. Don't eat meat? fine, Want me not to eat meat? **** you.

I am a specieist, or whatever they call it. I don't give a flying **** about other species, esp. those that aren't friends of people. dogs and cats can be loved and respected, because of personal bonds that the people have, but that doesn't mean that the life of a dog or a cat equals the life of a human. Torturing animals is wrong, but that's because of the human cruelty, not the suffering of the animal. Protecting the enviroment? very important. Why? because WE have to live here, not the duck-billed platypuss or whatever.

	27-07-2003 14:10									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen At the same time said person may be wearing levi's, gap or some other item made by slave labor,

Get a clue Vesayen. All Levis are made in the USA and comply with all American labor laws. I can agree with you about not wanting to us slave labor but I imagine we both have drastically different definitions of what constitutes slave labor. In fact slave labor almost doesn't exist in the world today.

You're right about the whiny veggies though.

	27-07-2003 14:20									#40
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quote: Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave not only taste better but I am sure we who eat it would get less sick... pre mass production of meat, the animals used to "live" before being eaten, this is not really the case today...

This is why I think people who want to reduce factory farming should encourage hunting.

	27-07-2003 14:23									#41
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You should have made this a multiple selection poll -- what about those who agree with you, but still think you're a moron?

	27-07-2003 15:26									#42
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quote: Now, wouldn't the food taste better anyway if it's raised in more humane conditions?

I don't see how that would matter.

	27-07-2003 15:33									#43
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Matters loads.

Ever eaten free range well fed chicken compared to battery? Tastes much nicer, as do their eggs.

	27-07-2003 15:38									#44
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Yeah, and it's more £££ too.

	27-07-2003 15:38									#45
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It's probably just a self-fulfilling delusion - you think it will taste better so it does.

	27-07-2003 15:40									#46
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It's possible but I've actually done a blind tasting when I was working in the meat & dairy department of a supermarket.

	27-07-2003 15:55									#47
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They're separate departments Mike.

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Thanks for telling me about the place where I worked. You obviously know better than me.

At Safeway Reading in 1994, the meat and dairy department was one group of employees run by one department manager, and used one chiller out back. Although I mainly worked on the dairy I did have to do some stuff on the meat. We also did salads and ready meals.

	27-07-2003 16:03									#49
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Why did you do a blind tasting? Did the chicken meat look different?

	27-07-2003 16:04									#50
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It's an expression indicating you don't know which is which beforehand. It does look kind of different though.

	27-07-2003 16:06									#51
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Was the meat from the same part of each chicken?

	27-07-2003 16:08									#52
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Yes.

	27-07-2003 16:09									#53
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How do you know if it was a blind tasting?

	27-07-2003 16:13									#54
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Got to see the people making them. Only had to close my eyes for when I was tasting, not when others were, different bits of chickens have different textures anyway.

	27-07-2003 16:13									#55
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Got to see the people making them. Only had to close my eyes for when I was tasting, not when others were, different bits of chickens have different textures anyway.

	27-07-2003 16:16									#56
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Different textures..different taste. I suggest you were duped.

	27-07-2003 16:21									#57
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Round and round in circles. You did suggest that and I just explained why I wasn't.

	27-07-2003 16:22									#58
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So how does better food and a bit of room contribute to the difference in taste?

	27-07-2003 16:28									#59
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The room is because they can exercise and regularly used muscle tastes nicer (dunno why). The food thing is more obvious, the food you put in is literally turned into the meat of the chicken so if you put crap in you get crap out.

	27-07-2003 17:02									#60
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Anyway, it doesn't matter...