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After we get an answer from Monty, and if it is UNfavorable, then Im thinking we send a dispatch to CoD, asking them for assistance, telling them we will draw the Monty army deep into our territiory so they can backstab Monty and take over there territory.

Lets see what develops.

Or maybe I should just send a Hello how are you guys one right now, thoughts?

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Yup - ya never know.

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This is from Python

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Team Monkey:

After much consideration, our Ministry of Issuing Polite Rejctions has
decided to issue a polite rejection to your offer of becoming our vassal
state. We still feel, frankly, that your territory will still be better in
the hands of our Master, Guy de Loimbard.

The Ministry of Understanding hopes you understand our position.

Thank you,
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Despot, and all around Useless Fat Guy of Team Monty Python.


I suggest you let your imaginations go wild with a response.

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This was my immediate e-mail response.

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This is indeed too bad. As now will have to use the huge pile of monkey poo we have saved up. It will not be pretty.

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This was my immediate e-mail response.



Did you actually send this?

If not Im thinking Ill use it

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Yup - sent it.

Feel free to send something similar.

Or better yet - some pics from Planet of the Apes showing the monkey army on the move.

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Cod's reply to the propoganda request:

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con,

Hmm. I can't really say I like the idea of cluing the rest of the world in on the fact that we're at war.

I don't mind the spirit of what Beta wants to do (since I know that both Beta and I learned something from the ptwdg public forum), but rather its practical implications.

Can I ask you guys to hold off on it for now? At the end of the day, I don't think CoD and/or Python can force you not to post something like this in the public forum. But I'd rather you didn't.

-Arrian

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Sent to Arrian. Hope you guys are OK with it.

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Greetings, Arrian.

I have two things I would like to discuss.

First - SPAM. This is the Society for the Prevention of Aggression against Monkeys. You can fully appreciate why I founded this society. Now, I would like to post a SPAM thread in the public forum. But, if the average member puts two and two together, they will figure out what is going on. And given the no communication until contact rule, it is only fair that you consent to such a thread. It will be 'fair and balanced' (hehe) and will plead for a more tolerant attitude toward simian species. It will be light-hearted, in keeping with the theme of this game. And it may just liven up a pretty dead public forum. What say ye?

Second - I appreciate that you must have a fairly solid alliance with the Python nation. But, if I read this right, at the end of this campaign (presuming it is successful - and that is not a given yet), your intention is that Python gets to set up its FP and second half of its nation down south where we are.

Well, what if we gave you a better offer? Monkey keeps its current land - and gets to settle the peninsula to the west. You get the rest of the continent.

This would seem to be a better set-up for you, versus having Python to your north and south. And it should be fairly easy to implement. We tie up the Python stack currently heading south. And you use the opportunity to run over Python's territory. If need be - we will lend assistance in this campaign - as soon as we have dispatched the Python invaders.

I acknowledge that this offer is clearly made with great self-interest on the part of us Monkeys. But it would also seem that it would also make sense for CoD. What say ye?

We are availble to chat about politics and alliances at your convenience.

Cheers ...Beta.

ps - If possible, try and get back to us shortly, before we start hurting each other. Thanks.

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Beta I already asked them about the SPAM proposal over a week ago and got an answer mid week last week, please see mt last post before this one.


????????????

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OOOOOPS! Sorry con. I did not see that - and I checked as well. This is what you get when you do some of this stuff after dinner ... and wine. My apologies.

And I see there is a response from Arrian - back in a second.

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RE: SPAM - and other stuff.
Beta,

As I told conmcb25, CoD would rather you didn't start any SPAM posts in the public forum yet. If team Monkey had contact with the rest of the world (or at least contact with a civ that knew the others), I wouldn't have any problem with it. But honestly I don't want the other teams to know that Python and CoD are trying to conquer you. Think of it from our point of view. Imagine that you are an evil bastard bent on the destruction of Monkeyland Now imagine your enemy wishes to announce its plight to the world, which currently has no idea what you're up to. Not good from your strategic point of view, is it? So, as I said to con, I'm fine with the spirit of the idea, but object for in-game reasons.

As to your second question... sorry, but I gotta turn you down. CoD will keep its word to Python. We threw in our lot with them, and we will stick with it. It may come as a surprise to you, but this whole thing was entirely their idea. Nonetheless, we committed to it and will see it through. Sorry about that, old chap.

-Arrian

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My response:

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Arrian - sorry about the duplicate pm's on the SPAM stuff. conmcb has given me a good cuff up the side of the head. Deservedly so. He posted your earlier response and I missed it. As I said in our forum - that is the problem with doing some of this stuff after dinner and wine.

As to the other - well, I understand your position - even if it is the wrong one. And I do think you are making a mistake here. But so be it. The die is cast. May the best monkey win - and well, we know who that will be, knuckles down.

Cheers ...Beta.

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con - my apologies again for missing the post - and wading into FA territory. A weak moment I'm afraid.

And it is clear that both CoD and Python are intent on this. Nothing gained. Again - sorry.

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Latest exchange between Arrian and me. I am now finished. Really, I am.

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Arrian - I completely understand your position on the SPAM business. That is why I checked first. By rights - it was against the game guidelines anyway. And I can't say that our position would be any different if the roles were reversed.

Now - my guess is that people will figure out sooner or later what is happening/or has happened on our continent. But then it it will be via legit contact in the game. So, to conclude, no problem whatsoever.

But they will be wondering how Python and CoD got eliminated so quickly. Who is going to believe us when we say that you started it???

...Beta.

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Don't worry about that. It's no big deal. I hope you understand my position on SPAM.

As for us making a mistake, well, maybe we are and maybe we aren't. Time will tell.

-Arrian


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con - my apologies again for missing the post - and wading into FA territory. A weak moment I'm afraid.

And it is clear that both CoD and Python are intent on this. Nothing gained. Again - sorry.


No problem you can play around in FAM territory anythime you want, just read the current posts first

Yep they are pretty adament, I guess we will just have to see how this plays out

..

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YOWZER!!!

Received this from Arrian. My response is attached. Their contact with other civs explains a lot. And will greatly lower the cost of republic. Also note they waited until we had triggered our golden age before they did this.

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You mean it wasn't friendly last time??? I understand your point.

Thanks for the update and the 'go ahead'. I will await the posting of the world map.

Cheers! ..Beta
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Arrian wrote on 22-03-2004 16:11:
Beta,

FYI - CoD recently made a deal with Tabemono that passed contact with you over to them. So on your next turn, you should have contact with Tabemono. I'm afraid the conditions of our deal prevent Tabemono from giving you contact with the other teams. However, the deal also included a world map trade, which lacks a no-trade clause. That ought to shoot around the world rather quickly, especially since UnOrthOdOx has a public forum idea of his own. UnO wants a publicly posted world map - he thinks that will make things more interesting for outsiders, and I agree.

Anyway, once that thing goes around, anyone with half a brain will know that there is a war going on, because of the ruins.

Personally, I'd give SPAM a green light once the WM is distributed. I'll fire off a note to UnO asking him to inform you once it has. I've already told him about your desire to SPAM.

Let's both try and keep it friendly this time, ok?

Thanks,

-Arrian

quote:
Arrian - I completely understand your position on the SPAM business. That is why I checked first. By rights - it was against the game guidelines anyway. And I can't say that our osition would be any different if the roles were reversed.

Now - my guess is that people will figure out sooner or later what is happening/or has happened on our continent. But then it it will be via legit contact in the game. So, to conclude, no problem whatsoever.

But they will be wondering how Python and CoD got eliminated so quickly. Who is going to believe us when we say that you started it???

...Beta.

Cheers.

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Message from and to Arrian:

Ok Thanks, Arrian.

Any second thoughts about the current campaign? We will be chewing up Python pretty well. They have to be quite exposed right now.

We are willing to forgive and forget. Let us know.

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Arrian wrote on 13-04-2004 14:00:
Beta,

By now, I would think the world map has made the rounds. Plus, it is my understanding that Tabemono has passed contact with Monkey on to MAST and SS (by mistake, actually, but that's another matter).

You may want to double-check with Tabemono, but I'd say S.P.A.M. is a go at this point. UnO hasn't been real active lately, and it is likely that he just forgot to PM you like I asked him to once the WM trades happened.

-Arrian

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And his response. It is interesting reading bewteen the lines on this. (note - the first few lines were my response to him. )

Understood. Guess I will try Python next.

En garde and regards... Beta.
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Beta,

So long as Python remains committed, so do we. CoD made a promise and we will keep it. Even in the face of heavy casualties. You have Numidians, so it's not like we expected a cake walk. Further, it was clear from the outset that you were playing it smart: toasting your border towns and pulling back, buying time.

I knew things were definitely gonna be rough when you guys so efficiently wiped out our pillaging team (heh, I had to try. It would've been brilliant if it had worked ).

In short, we know it will be ugly. We still expect to win. Even if we didn't, until Python called it off, we'd stick by them.

-Arrian

quote:


Ok Thanks, Arrian.

Any second thoughts about the current campaign? We will be chewing up Python pretty well. They have to be quite exposed right now.

We are willing to forgive and forget. Let us know.

Beta


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Given CoD's peace offer that came with the 250bc save tonight, i sent the following rather direct correspondence:

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Greetings Arrian.

We just received the ptwdg2 save, with your offer of peace. Is it sincere? Or was it a slip of the finger on the old keyboard?

And if it is sincere - why the sinking of our galley? And what is your plan for the numerous Python troops within our borders?

And furthermore - if it is to be peace, what will be the common border bewteen us - as soon as we have rid our lands of these troublesome Python scum?

If this is simply a matter of avoiding war weariness - please be decent enough to be up front about it. If it is a sincere peace offer - we are willing to meet and chat with you at your convenience. If it is not - suck it up and reload.

Sincerely - Beta of Monkey.

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His response and my reply - which comes first:

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Whew - that's a relief. This war is just about to get interesting, and peace right now would ruin it all.

Apology accepted.

Rock on. ....Beta.


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Huh? I was just checking the diplo screen. Sorry about that. AFAIK, escaping out of the dilpo screen should have cancelled it. I never pressed "send." Damnit. No, we were not offering peace.

My sincere apologies for that.

-Arrian

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Sent this PM to Arrian. Just in case.

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Hi Arrian. It would seem to me that the temperature of the discussion is rising a bit. I will do what I can to moderate it, but still keeping the debate lively and interesting.

If you feel at anytime that we are crossing over a line, please let H_E and me know directly. There has been a lot of healing done after some of the issues back in the old ptwdg, and I don't want us to slide backwards. I spend way too much of my time with all of the folks here and I do not want to make enemies; I come here for fun.

The point of the matter is that we, Team Monkey, are backed into a corner and are desperate. We need world assistance. I apologize if we slanted the truth too much on the republic deal, but to be honest - that is how we saw it. And the rest of it is pretty factual. The two of you ganged up on us. We understand your reasons for it. It is Python that we can't figure out, but I respect their sticking to their commitment.

So, I hope you can understand our reasoning behind our appeal to the rest of the world.

Again - let's stay in touch. And let's have fun.

Sincerely ...Beta.

ps - how brave were you last turn???

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His response and my response:

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Arrian - thanks for getting back to me.

Yes - I should've thought twice about posting the quote from the diplomatic PM. I will refrain from doing so in future. But you did get in many more words than I did.

Yes - as to our defence - learned a bit from the masters from last game.

And yup - I figured Krill didn't quite catch on. And I was so proud of my Kruger note.

Speaking of dogs, , what kind do you have?

As to the turn - yes - I was talking about last turn. We will see when it rolls around.

Again - let's stay in touch to make sure we don't mess this up.

Cheers ...Beta.

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Beta,

I am giving myself fairly constant reminders that this is all in good fun. I tend to get a little too focused on "the truth" and get worked up, but before actually erupting I'd talk to you guys about it first. It doesn't help that I really didn't want this war in the first place, and furthermore tried my best *not* to unduly screw Monkey out of some sort of misplaced sense of honor.

Re: the republic deal, that's fine. I understand your PoV on that one. Both teams had legitimate gripes with that situation, and there was no easy solution. I complicated matters with some faulty reasoning that resulted in the 400 gold offer.

By the way... are we authorizing each other to quote each other's diplomatic PMs? That was a departure from the usual rules. I actually don't mind - what you posted didn't bother me. But I'm not sure I want you posting lines from diplo PMs at will. Besides, why clutter up your propoganda with facts? Kidding, kidding.

-Arrian

p.s. Krill is kinda new to this, so bear with him.

p.p.s. Which turn? You mean when we moved our stack of horsemen within range of your troops? Or *this* turn, that Cort Haus hasn't finished playing yet?

Nice stack of catapults, by the way. Very "GS" of you. Cort made the move with the horsemen last turn, and I never even managed to comment before the turn was sent on (I'm increasingly MIA when I'm not at work - heh - because I got a dog recently, and it's a lot of work. Even w/o the dog, I don't often log on from home because my connection is garbage).

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Arrian really is a good egg.

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from and to Krill - now that the evacuation is complete.

Krill...

We would be amenable to a peace discussion. What did you have in mind - given that we do not have much of a civ left - and 7 land tiles to work with. Under any form of government, we now have waaaay too many units to support, so we will be converting them to shields for peaceful construction.


I am thinking tech and cash would greatly help the Monkey situation.

Also, any possibility of using some of the southern tundra tiles - including the luxury. This would clearly need to involve a longer term peace agreement, minimal if any military presence by the Simians, and on-site peacekeepers from CoD and/or Python.

Congrats as well to you and your team for a successful campaign. We knew it was only a matter of time - but we did not want to make it easy for you.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Cheers ...Beta.

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Hi Beta,

First of all, congratulations on the withdrawal. It was well planed, and well exectuted

However, I would like to now ask if it would be possible to negoitiate a peace treaty. Neither side is in a position to attack the other - we both have sea walls - so we will be in a stalemate for a couple of years, if the game continues at its' current rate of play.

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Yep look at that email from him, he is trying to justify quick peace on the basis of a seawall

They are dying of war weariness, I say make them pay.

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Monkey would be interested in peace. I trust you can appreciate the predicament we are in now.

Cash would be good. 240 gold as 100 now and 7 per turn would seem to be fair.

Can we reach a deal - and peace??? ...Beta of Monkey

 
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