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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:30
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Messages from/to Monkey:
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Arrian,
We are really sorry you guys feel this way, we had the understanding that we were both cooperating in a tech agreement. This doesn't strike us as a fair way to pursue that agreement. Unfortunately we are going to have to turn you down and probably research Republic ourselves. With our race to research techs alongside you, you must at least suspect that we are very cash poor right now. 400 gold might as well be a million.
On another subject your spearman at 1, 1, 1 of silkfest is right were we want to move our Num Merc and settler next turn to build a town. We are also assuming this string of towns we have and you have along the "silk corridor" will eventually become our border by default. And I am just going to mention again I brought up border negotiations several turns ago before we got to this point. The site at 1, 1, 1 of silkfest is considered by us to be part of Monkey territory, please move your spearman north. You have a lot of nice ground to your west to settle, and as you can see from our map we are quite cramped down south. And this way we split the silk resources and have a nice straight border right along the silk. Good for your REX and our REX. Monkey feels this is the best way to establish our borders.
Sorry we couldn't do business this time, hopefully we can work togther again in the future.
Steve K
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Fairness is in the eye of the beholder, my simian friend. You didn't find our offer fair. Fine. We didn't find your offer of "gift us republic and we'll pay you back at some unspecified later date" fair either, to say the least.
As for the border agreement, well, border agreements are trickey things, as GS-Vox showed me. Based on your comments of what team Monkey believes is fair w/regard to borders, I expect we would have had serious difficulty reaching an agreement over the last several turns anyway. I don't expect you would have delayed your settler teams while we negotiated.
IIRC, our spearman did move last turn (we played before I got your message) and SF111 is clear. Not that I can say I'm pleased with your city site's proximity to Silkfest.
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Cort Haus
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London
Apr 2002
time: 05:30
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From H_E
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Hey Cort Haus,
Apparantly, I should of sent this to you........
Regs
Hey Arrian,
As you know, Monkey is up for some very interesting times over the next few turns.
Given our small membership, and lack of micromanagement expertise, I contacted Dominae to see if he would want to join our team as a "consultant" for the next few turns.
Little did I know, that he did the same for CoD earlier in the game.
Anyway. Dom said he would love the challenge as I presented it to him, but did say he knew of CoD's territory and general city location.
I assume it was a while ago, because he did not seem to know that Monkey was your friendly neighbour and tech aliance partner from the south.
Given that we have your map, and your city locations already, would you object to us having Dominae on our side for a few turns....just to make it interesting.
Personally, I think it would be kinda cool. He is a mercenary for hire. Jumping to any team who needs him.
But if you guys have any serious objections, (other than you just not wanting us to have an expert player on our team) then we of course understand.
Waiting with anticipation....while tossing a great lump of week old monkey poo in your direction.
Hot_Enamel
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and my reply
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* Cort Haus dodges monkey poo.
Hey H_E,
Sir, you yourself are a highly respected player in the community, with a strong reputation both as an economic planner and military operative. Monkey also have other very experienced DG-ers onboard, and CoD itself is a very small team.
Thank-you very much though for asking us about Dom's role as a possible consultant to Monkey. Arrian (who is away this week) would have to be party to our response, and it is possible that the interesting idea of consultants working for more than one team is a matter for public discussion.
So I must ask that we hang on to this particular piece of monkey poo for a few days before returning it, as the skeleton staff of one at CoD this week is not in a position to respond alone.
Regards,
Cort.
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:30
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Hmm...
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Also sent to CoD
Gentlemen - as we head into an interesting phase of the game, we would like to clarify a point of conduct. Beta would like to post a new thread in the public forum, which, if anybody puts 2 and 2 together, will figure out what is going on over here. He wants to introduce everyone to SPAM - the Society for the Prevention of Aggression against Monkeys. He has some campaign literature planned, along with some heart-rending pictures.
But as we have clearly not met all civs in the world yet - this is, at some level, sharing info that would not normally be known. Beta assures me that the intent is solely for entertainment purposes, and hopefully liven up a pretty dead forum, but undertstands if you would rather that this not happen - given that he might - er - sway - albeit, purely by accident - world opinion.
We acknowledge that this is intended to be more light-hearted affair, but we also acknowledge that it is still a legit civ3 demo game, so we seek your approval before doing so. Please let us know. Thanks.
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con,
Hmm. I can't really say I like the idea of cluing the rest of the world in on the fact that we're at war.
I don't mind the spirit of what Beta wants to do (since I know that both Beta and I learned something from the ptwdg public forum), but rather its practical implications.
Can I ask you guys to hold off on it for now? At the end of the day, I don't think CoD and/or Python can force you not to post something like this in the public forum. But I'd rather you didn't.
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Mountain Sage
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Agreed. This thread could become a 'save the Monkeys' one. We would be the villains and this could hinder us establishing future contacts/working relationships with other civs.
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:30
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Message from Beta, and my reply:
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Greetings, Arrian.
I have two things I would like to discuss.
First - SPAM. This is the Society for the Prevention of Aggression against Monkeys. You can fully appreciate why I founded this society.  Now, I would like to post a SPAM thread in the public forum. But, if the average member puts two and two together, they will figure out what is going on. And given the no communication until contact rule, it is only fair that you consent to such a thread. It will be 'fair and balanced' (hehe) and will plead for a more tolerant attitude toward simian species. It will be light-hearted, in keeping with the theme of this game. And it may just liven up a pretty dead public forum. What say ye?
Second - I appreciate that you must have a fairly solid alliance with the Python nation. But, if I read this right, at the end of this campaign (presuming it is successful - and that is not a given yet), your intention is that Python gets to set up its FP and second half of its nation down south where we are.
Well, what if we gave you a better offer? Monkey keeps its current land - and gets to settle the peninsula to the west. You get the rest of the continent.
This would seem to be a better set-up for you, versus having Python to your north and south. And it should be fairly easy to implement. We tie up the Python stack currently heading south. And you use the opportunity to run over Python's territory. If need be - we will lend assistance in this campaign - as soon as we have dispatched the Python invaders.
I acknowledge that this offer is clearly made with great self-interest on the part of us Monkeys. But it would also seem that it would also make sense for CoD. What say ye?
We are availble to chat about politics and alliances at your convenience.
Cheers ...Beta.
ps - If possible, try and get back to us shortly, before we start hurting each other. Thanks.
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Beta,
As I told conmcb25, CoD would rather you didn't start any SPAM posts in the public forum yet. If team Monkey had contact with the rest of the world (or at least contact with a civ that knew the others), I wouldn't have any problem with it. But honestly I don't want the other teams to know that Python and CoD are trying to conquer you. Think of it from our point of view. Imagine that you are an evil bastard bent on the destruction of Monkeyland Now imagine your enemy wishes to announce its plight to the world, which currently has no idea what you're up to. Not good from your strategic point of view, is it? So, as I said to con, I'm fine with the spirit of the idea, but object for in-game reasons.
As to your second question... sorry, but I gotta turn you down. CoD will keep its word to Python. We threw in our lot with them, and we will stick with it. It may come as a surprise to you, but this whole thing was entirely their idea. Nonetheless, we committed to it and will see it through. Sorry about that, old chap.
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Mountain Sage
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Pfffft, a civil war would have been quite embarassing...
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:30
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Hmm, it appears I forgot to post Beta's response to my last message. Here it is, and a new message I just sent him:
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Arrian - I completely understand your position on the SPAM business. That is why I checked first. By rights - it was against the game guidelines anyway. And I can't say that our osition would be any different if the roles were reversed.
Now - my guess is that people will figure out sooner or later what is happening/or has happened on our continent. But then it it will be via legit contact in the game. So, to conclude, no problem whatsoever.
But they will be wondering how Python and CoD got eliminated so quickly. Who is going to believe us when we say that you started it???
...Beta.
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Beta,
FYI - CoD recently made a deal with Tabemono that passed contact with you over to them. So on your next turn, you should have contact with Tabemono. I'm afraid the conditions of our deal prevent Tabemono from giving you contact with the other teams. However, the deal also included a world map trade, which lacks a no-trade clause. That ought to shoot around the world rather quickly, especially since UnOrthOdOx has a public forum idea of his own. UnO wants a publicly posted world map - he thinks that will make things more interesting for outsiders, and I agree.
Anyway, once that thing goes around, anyone with half a brain will know that there is a war going on, because of the ruins.
Personally, I'd give SPAM a green light once the WM is distributed. I'll fire off a note to UnO asking him to inform you once it has. I've already told him about your desire to SPAM. 
Let's both try and keep it friendly this time, ok?
Thanks,
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:30
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From Beta:
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Ok Thanks, Arrian.
Any second thoughts about the current campaign? We will be chewing up Python pretty well. They have to be quite exposed right now.
We are willing to forgive and forget. Let us know.
Beta
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To Beta:
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Beta,
So long as Python remains committed, so do we. CoD made a promise and we will keep it. Even in the face of heavy casualties. You have Numidians, so it's not like we expected a cake walk. Further, it was clear from the outset that you were playing it smart: toasting your border towns and pulling back, buying time.
I knew things were definitely gonna be rough when you guys so efficiently wiped out our pillaging team (heh, I had to try. It would've been brilliant if it had worked ).
In short, we know it will be ugly. We still expect to win. Even if we didn't, until Python called it off, we'd stick by them.
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