29-09-2003 07:52									#91
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quote: I thought we were talking about the real world here. In the real world, Guy's proposal has almost no chance of coming to fruition.

Why not? If you told someone in the 80s that you'd have an abomination like the BCS they would have told you that you were crazy.

quote: Not necessarily. An injury to a star player can prevent a team from ending top of the table, even if they're the best team in the league. Just look at Arsenal last season. It's the team with the best season, not the most talent, that wins the championship.

And injuries prevent you from being the best team. The league championship is the best team, and durability figures into that.

quote: Why should I accept a definition you just made up that goes against real-world evidence? It's obvious that the "national champion" in college football is the team with the best season, whether you want to admit it or not.

The real world evidence is that when you say 'champion' people think 'best team'. Look at what people were saying after the 2001 Superbowl. People said St. Louis was the best team, but the retort was: if they were the best team then they would have won the game. New England was the best team in the league because they won the big game.

When people say "We're #1" you think they are refering to We had the best season? You are being ridiculous.

Btw, if you REALLY want the team with the best 'season' to win the national championship shouldn't you award it after the REGULAR season? After all, the bowls are postseason playoff contests. They aren't part of the season. Why don't you just give the national champion to the team with the best 'season' and give it to the #1 team in the BCS before the bowls are played?

quote: That was bullshit, I agree, but it wasn't the fault of the BCS system. Blame the Orange Bowl and the other greedy bastards who ditched tradition in order to make a quick buck.

Oh yes, it wasn't the fault of the BCS. Before the BCS came to, would this result EVER have happened? NO! So yes, this was the BCS's fault because without that the Rose Bowl would have been Pac-10 v Big-10. The BCS gave the Orange Bowl the oppertunity to take USC and Iowa, aka BCS teams. Without it, that never could have happened.

quote: A playoff just tells you who the best team is at the end of the year. It would end the "every game is vital" attitude that makes college football so exciting.

Since you'd have to win your conference to enter the playoff, under our system, every game is still vital.

What, you think that if we even had a 8 team at-large playoff that games such as Alabama-Auburn, USC-Notre Dame, Michigan-OSU, etc. would be any LESS thrilling? Bull, the thing that makes college football exciting is the rivalries and tradition, not this 'every loss dooms you' system. If that were the case then Auburn-Alabama wouldn't be worth a damn to watch this year, because neither is undefeated.

quote: Oh, boo hoo. Take Palmer and Co. off the cross, please.

I will when the 2002 USC team could have played the 2002 OSU team .

quote: Better product: yes more money: yes more fans: no

Per capita? I mean you are comparing 32 teams with 117 teams. Of course the league with 117 will have more attendance and total TV ratings. If you take the averages, the NFL wins out. Even if you take the averages of the top 32 teams in college football.

quote: More Tradition: No

The problem is that the BCS is killing that tradition. I mean really, what was so wrong with the old system? I'd prefer that system over any other... but the BCS couldn't let that happen. I don't think we'll turn back time anytime soon though.

	29-09-2003 09:04									#92
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quote: It just doesn't work that way, Drake. You're smart enough to know that.

And you're smart enough to recognize an obvious troll when you see it. I was just picking on Imran.

quote: But, instead, it's Northern Illinois. What say you then?

They don't play a tough enough schedule. I've always said there must be a minimum strength of schedule to be considered for the national title. The real question is where to draw the line.

quote: Big XII ain't looking that buff this season.

No it isn't. The chances of a Nebraska-Oklahoma showdown in the Big 12 title game are looking good, however, which pleases me to no end.

	29-09-2003 09:06									#93
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I'll get back to you later, Imran. I'm at work right now and can't take the time to crank out a Berzerker-esque parsed post.

	29-09-2003 09:29									#94
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Well instead of going for a Berzerker parsed post, just answer this. HOW is the current BCS system BETTER than the previous system? Is a 'true' national champion better than messing with the great tradition of the Bowl system and the conference tie-ins?

	29-09-2003 11:35									#95
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quote: Is a 'true' national champion better than messing with the great tradition of the Bowl system and the conference tie-ins?

I'm not really sure. I loved the old system and miss some of the traditions that have gone by the wayside after the BCS came into effect. I miss having Nebraska trying to get to the Orange Bowl each year. I miss the Big Ten and Pac 10 pretending that two mediocre teams playing in the Rose Bowl was somehow the best bowl game in football. I miss the complete insanity of the old poll system.

Then again, I don't miss situations like what happened to Penn State in 1994. No undefeated team with their strength of schedule should ever have been locked out of a title shot because tradition demands they play some crap Pac 10 team instead of the other undefeated team (Nebraska, in this case). It was horribly unfair and I'm glad those types of situations are gone.

I just don't know. I do know that a playoff would be bad for college football, however.

	30-09-2003 00:41									#96
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quote: Then again, I don't miss situations like what happened to Penn State in 1994. No undefeated team with their strength of schedule should ever have been locked out of a title shot because tradition demands they play some crap Pac 10 team instead of the other undefeated team (Nebraska, in this case). It was horribly unfair and I'm glad those types of situations are gone.

I'm sorry but tradition and what college football is about is the Big 10 champ playing the Pac 10 champ. Why would you want to go against what college football is about in order to have two undefeateds go against each other. Nah.

quote: I do know that a playoff would be bad for college football, however.

No worse than the BCS semi-playoff.

	30-09-2003 01:18									#97
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quote: Per capita? I mean you are comparing 32 teams with 117 teams. Of course the league with 117 will have more attendance and total TV ratings. If you take the averages, the NFL wins out. Even if you take the averages of the top 32 teams in college football.

College football has 3x the attendance of the NFL. This despite the fact that college football has only a fraction of the games per season. The NFL team with the highest average attendance would be only #8 in the college football tables. Of the top 15 teams in average attendance, 14 are college football teams.

So if you take the top 32 teams in college football, they will have a much higher average attendance.

	30-09-2003 01:46									#98
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quote: So if you take the top 32 teams in college football, they will have a much higher average attendance.

I also counted TV ratings. NFL teams do play in SMALLER stadiums, you realize? No one plays in a 100,000 stadium in the NFL, even though they could fill it every year (such as the Packers or Giants, etc.)

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Re the TV viewership, I don't have the figures, but I note that none of the top college teams attendance-wise are in a top TV market.

NFL and college are just different games.

	30-09-2003 05:00									#100
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quote: No one plays in a 100,000 stadium in the NFL, even though they could fill it every year (such as the Packers or Giants, etc.)

What about the Superdome?

	30-09-2003 05:03									#101
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quote: What about the Superdome?

http://www.superdome.com/site.php?pageID=2

quote: Maximum Seating Capacity: football 69,703, expanded football 72,003

	30-09-2003 05:04									#102
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Wow, I thought it was bigger than that. Not so super, is it?

	30-09-2003 05:07									#103
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Well it has the most total cubic space of any domed stadium in the country. The dome goes up higher than other domed stadiums.

	30-09-2003 05:46									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well it has the most total cubic space of any domed stadium in the country. The dome goes up higher than other domed stadiums.

So are we saying that NFL dome attendence is predominantly hot air?

	30-09-2003 06:30									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten They don't play a tough enough schedule. I've always said there must be a minimum strength of schedule to be considered for the national title. The real question is where to draw the line.

Who are you to decide if they play a tough enough schedule? They beat bowl teams from three different BCS conferences during their non-conference schedule... how many schools from BCS conferences can claim that?

	30-09-2003 06:46									#106
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quote: Who are you to decide if they play a tough enough schedule?

What gives anyone the right to make strength of schedule judgements?

quote: They beat bowl teams from three different BCS conferences during their non-conference schedule...

Who?

	30-09-2003 06:50									#107
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I can tell you that going to an exciting Titans game does not even come close to the experience of going to an exciting Vols game. When 108,000 people start pounding on the stands and shouting at the top of their lungs you cannot hear yourself scream. The best college football game I ever went to was the 1998 TN-FL game which the Vols won in overtime. No NFL contest could ever compare with that.

	30-09-2003 07:52									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten [ quote: They beat bowl teams from three different BCS conferences during their non-conference schedule... Who?

Maryland, Alabama, Iowa State.

	30-09-2003 08:35									#109
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Not that impressive a list...

	30-09-2003 08:39									#110
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I see another year has come, and we are still fighting the same fight.



ACK!

	30-09-2003 08:41									#111
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quote: I see another year has come, and we are still fighting the same fight.

Pathetic, isn't it?

	01-10-2003 01:58									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Not that impressive a list...

Then why don't you give me a list of BCS schools that have defeated three bowl teams from BCS conferences in their non-conference schedule.

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quote: Then why don't you give me a list of BCS schools that have defeated three bowl teams from BCS conferences in their non-conference schedule.

Do I look like Stat Boy to you? I've got a life to attend to...

	05-10-2003 10:04									#114
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Well, it's early on a Sunday afternoon here in Japan and you know what that means; it's time for me to wistfully check the scores for this Saturday's slate of college football games. It was another great week, filled with more excitement and upsets than you'll ever find in a typical NFL schedule. God bless college football.

Anyway, here's my top 5 games of the week...

5. Auburn 28 - 21 Tennessee

Sorry Plato, but I enjoyed seeing this result.

4. Texas 24 - 20 Kansas State

I hate Texas, but I hate Kansas State even more.

3. Oklahoma 53 - 7 Iowa State

Iowa State is a bad team, to be sure, but this is still an impressive ass whipping dished out by my pick for the best team in the country. Contrast this with...

2. Iowa 30 - 27 Michigan

I guess if every team in the country loses two games, then Michigan will win the national title, eh Imran?

1. There's a tie for first this week between...

Nebraska 30 - 0 Troy State

Nebraska moves to 5-0 with a shutout of a decent Troy State squad. The Huskers have the best defense in the country and I'm loving it. All my prayers at Sumisaka-jinja must be paying off.

And...

Baylor 42 - 30 Colorado



I hate the Buffs even more than I hate the Wildcats and this loss to the perennial doormats of the Big 12 just made my day. Nebraska has an easy road to the Big 12 North title this year. Hooray!

That's it for this week folks. See you next week when the Huskers go to Columbia to battle the dangerous Missouri Tigers. Oh, and there'll be some other games as well.

	05-10-2003 11:08									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Nebraska moves to 5-0 with a shutout of a decent Troy State squad. The Huskers have the best defense in the country and I'm loving it. All my prayers at Sumisaka-jinja must be paying off.

Decent?

All I need to say is Neb is 5-0 and they're ranked....where?

Wake me up when Nebraska starts playing some real teams again.

	05-10-2003 11:13									#116
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quote: Decent?

They beat Marshall on the road. Not a great win, but good enough to qualify them as decent.

quote: All I need to say is Neb is 5-0 and they're ranked....where?

It's where you're ranked at the end of the season that counts.

	05-10-2003 11:18									#117
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I notice you conveniently decided not to reply to my last statement.

	05-10-2003 11:23									#118
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Don't worry, Nebraska will see their fair share of quality teams this year.

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	05-10-2003 20:21									#120
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Was this the only day of the year college football took place? What happened to the other weekends? Any chance of getting the thread renamed "College Football - 2003 Season"?

quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Baylor 42 - 30 Colorado I hate the Buffs even more than I hate the Wildcats and this loss to the perennial doormats of the Big 12 just made my day. Nebraska has an easy road to the Big 12 North title this year. Hooray!

The "welfare team of Big 12 athletics" has to win one every now and then to save face I guess.......

Next week:
Texas vs OU
Miami losing to Florida State (assuming the Seminoles can kick the football between the uprights this year......)