23-09-2003 09:43									#31
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This Med strategy was a sure winner whenever it was used in games of Third Reich. The Brits are really in trouble once Gibralter falls, and that isn't all that hard of a nut to crack with the full range of German land and air forces basing from Spain and French North Africa. Once Gibralter is out of the way, the Brits can only communicate with the Pacific, Mediterranean and Indian ocean possessions the old fashioned way, around the Horn. This effectively doubles or triples the number of ships necessary to carry the same cargo.

	23-09-2003 09:44									#32
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Third Reich board game

Wish there was a computer equivalent

	23-09-2003 09:44									#33
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Unfortunately, a campaign in Third Reich is much simpler than running the actual war. Spain wasn't going to join the war without major Axis victories, and major Axis victories would have greatly minimized the usefullness of the Spanish. The Germans needed Spain when the couldn't get them, and couldn't have gotten Spain when they didn't need them.

	23-09-2003 09:45									#34
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Yeah but I think you are underestimating the importance of Egypt. Once the Suez Canal goes the Brits would be in deep shiite.

	23-09-2003 09:46									#35
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No doubt about it.

	23-09-2003 09:47									#36
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Without Britain or without US what's the difference?

They did very little in WW2 anyway.

Now Russia and Greece OTOH kicked ass long and hard and while being in a disantvantage something that Britain/US never had.

They die to the last Australian was it?

	23-09-2003 09:48									#37
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And Serbia. Big help from there as well. Croatia OTOH went nazi.

	23-09-2003 09:49									#38
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quote: They did very little in WW2 anyway. Now Russia and Greece OTOH kicked ass long and hard and while being in a disantvantage something that Britain/US never had.

If I wasn't positive you were trolling I'd have to rebut hard core.

	23-09-2003 09:50									#39
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Now I have to go play the "Tobruk" map on Battlefield 1942

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A little trolling.
Anyway that's your show

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd This assumes two things. First, that the production difference in favor of the Soviets exceeds the "destruction of equipment" difference in favor of the Germans, and that Germany is occupying Great Britain. The first is quite unlikely, with the German Army on the defensive in its prime, and the second is quite impossible.

This assumes that the German army would actually be in defensive positions, but they wouldn't be if they were preparing for an attack, so that any breakthrough would yield large isolated pockets of troops and equipment.

Also, would the UK stay out of the war once the Germans go away? It's doubtful.

	23-09-2003 09:54									#42
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quote: This assumes that the German army would actually be in defensive positions, but they wouldn't be if they were preparing for an attack, so that any breakthrough would yield large isolated pockets of troops and equipment.

True, but the German army was far more flexible throughout the war than the Red Army. And without the "purges of military necessity" - that is, rooting out the politically reliable nincompoops - the Red Army would be even worse off. I doubt someone like Budenny was competent to lead a division, much less an entire front.

quote: Also, would the UK stay out of the war once the Germans go away? It's doubtful.

What do you mean?

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How many Germans do you think will post in this thread?

My guess: 0

	23-09-2003 10:22									#44
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Without Britain or without US what's the difference? They did very little in WW2 anyway. Now Russia and Greece OTOH kicked ass long and hard and while being in a disantvantage something that Britain/US never had. They die to the last Australian was it?

Well, it was their countries being invaded, after all.

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Ignoring Paki's irrelevencies, this is a very interesting thread.
The Med Strategy is the only one, aside from rolling the dice on an invasion of Britain, that offered the chance (I say chance) of German victory. There was no other such option. The invasion of Russia, without first securing the Southern flank, was bound to fail.

	23-09-2003 10:30									#46
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I bought the newest Third Reich

has anyone tried it (it is the post Avalon Hill one)

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Is it a board game Jon Miller?

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yah

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I have a copy of the first edition board game, but some of the rules don't work together well

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Floyd - you have no future in foreign policy.

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Dude the worst board game I ever played was World War 2. This game had THE MOST MICROMANAGEMENT of any game I have ever seen in my life.

I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say that this would make a good game for generals in training.

You had to roll the dice like 10 times just to move a piece. Once for the weather, once for troop morale, once for supply lines, it went on and on and on and on....

	23-09-2003 10:48									#52
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that does sound pretty bad

I really like ASL (Advanced Squad Leader) and Third Reich looks really cool but I have never been succesful playing it (I also like but don't have DDay, Midway, Battle of the Bulge, Africa Korps, and the like)

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One important factor to consider when assessing the merits of the Mediterranian strat versus the Russia attack is the proportion of German forces that need to be employed. The mediterranian strat can be achieved with a fraction of the forces, no more than 20% or as little as 10%, leaving the bulk of German forces to deter possible Soviet aggression.

	23-09-2003 11:56									#54
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I agree, it would have been the only hope.

Ah, Striker, too bad the thread where I drove Paki into the turf was deleted. He deserved it so, for all to see.

	23-09-2003 12:03									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Dude the worst board game I ever played was World War 2. This game had THE MOST MICROMANAGEMENT of any game I have ever seen in my life. I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say that this would make a good game for generals in training. You had to roll the dice like 10 times just to move a piece. Once for the weather, once for troop morale, once for supply lines, it went on and on and on and on....

I'm playing a game called strategic command at the moment, which is pretty good.

	23-09-2003 12:04									#56
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Its too simple.

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It was thoroughly enjoyful to translate Unfortunately the thread got deleted and with it all the excellent quotes. I haven't lost my knowledge of english though so I can alway retranslate


And thanks Lonewolf you made my day

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And why was it deleted? Becuase I stated your view, which you do not deny ?t

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God Bless you Lonewolfe