27-10-2003 10:08									#31
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Draft 2 looks good, Kloreep. I'd go ahead and send it.

	27-10-2003 10:18									#32
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Sent to E_T, Togas, and BigFree. I stopped there because Togas has already got it.

quote: Greetings to our sunny friends. We recently made contact with the MAST team and signed a deal with them for Mysticism. As such, we regretfully must negotiate a different deal without Mysticism. Tabemono proposes we simply trade Math on our side for Iron Working on yours and add two more tech point IOUs on your side. Also, what are you planning on researching after Writing? We're interested in the The Republic. If that's your goal, perhaps we can work out a cooperation deal, one team researching CoL and the other Philosophy. -Kloreep, Tabejin

	29-10-2003 14:13									#33
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Here's an unedited except from #tabemono; first Zargon, then I talked to BigFree. Sorry for the lack of edit, but it's late and I still haven't finished an assignment for tomorrow.

Edit: Okay, semi-edited and the names actually show now.

[23:49] ZargonX> I'll see if I can grab him
[23:51] ZargonX> got him
[23:51] ZargonX> BigFree> well, you guys changed it
[23:51] ZargonX> BigFree> so we had to debate it
[23:51] ZargonX> BigFree> but the forums have been inactive
[23:51] ZargonX> BigFree> but Im ok with it
[23:51] ZargonX> BigFree> Im waiting on more input though
[23:55] Rhoth|Away> Is that it or are you still chatting. Sorry I missed it, my wife just got home.
[23:56] Kloreep> What about their future research?
[23:57] ZargonX> I'll find out
[23:59] ZargonX> they're going to go for the Republic path
[00:01] Kloreep> Cool
[00:01] Kloreep> Maybe we can get on the bandwagon
[00:01] ZargonX> we should be caught up at that point
[00:02] Kloreep> We still need Writing...
[00:02] ZargonX> if they go for CoL, we could go for Lit
[00:02] ZargonX> oh, that's true...
[00:02] Kloreep> You mean Philosophy?
[00:02] ZargonX> minor detail
[00:02] Kloreep> That would work
[00:02] Kloreep>
[00:02] Rhoth|Away> Kloreep had that worked out the other day.
[00:03] Rhoth|Away> Something about them giving us writing and we'd research CoL while they do Philo and then trade. We'd end up owing them one tech point over the long run.
[00:03] Kloreep> Yep
[00:03] Kloreep> With the three tech points they'll owe us after the math trade
[00:04] Kloreep> It would come out to 1 tech point we owe them
[00:04] Kloreep> BUT they'd have to trust us and give us writing for nothing
[00:04] Kloreep> Plus, I don't know if we could research CoL fast enough for their taste
[00:05] ZargonX> BigFree> here's a post form Togas
[00:05] ZargonX> BigFree> Agree to trade of IW + CoL for Math + Philosophy and they'll owe us a few tech points for the next deal
[00:05] Rhoth|Away> That's true since we have to finish math first before even going to CoL....if we get writing.
[00:05] Kloreep> Yes, we still need Writing
[00:05] Kloreep> Might want to point that out to BF
[00:05] Kloreep> If they want an even deal, it'll have to be us researching CoL
[00:05] ZargonX>
[00:05] Kloreep> Maybe ask how close they are to finishing Writing?
[00:06] Rhoth|Away> We might be able to flat out purchase writing in exchange for the tech points.
[00:07] Kloreep> We'll only have three after the math-IW deal
[00:07] Kloreep> Writing is 8
[00:07] Rhoth|Away> Anything else they want then?
[00:07] ZargonX> hey, I've got to get to sleep for work... do one of you want to take over?
[00:08] Kloreep> Okay
[00:08] Kloreep> Though I may be idle occassionally
[00:08] Rhoth|Away> I'm not really up to date on tech points and their worth.
[00:08] Kloreep> Should I just open a private chat?
[00:08] ZargonX> that's fine; so is he
[00:08] Rhoth|Away> What channel?
[00:09] ZargonX> I'm just in a private chat
[00:09] Rhoth|Away> Oh.
[00:09] * ZargonX has quit IRC (Quit: bed)
[00:17] * Rhoth|Away is now known as Rhothaerill
[00:18] Kloreep> [00:11] Kloreep> Hi
[00:18] Kloreep> [00:11] Kloreep> Zargon asked me to fill in for him
[00:18] Kloreep> [00:12] Kloreep> The problem with a Philo-CoL trade is we'll still need writing after the math-IW trade
[00:18] Kloreep> [00:14] BigFree> yes
[00:18] Kloreep> [00:14] BigFree> we need to figure that out
[00:18] Kloreep> [00:15] BigFree> Maybe a 3-way cooperative with MAST would be good too
[00:19] Rhothaerill> That would work perhaps, but what do they have to offer? They're still two techs behind us and we're one behind Sunshine.
[00:22] Kloreep> [00:22] Kloreep> Do you guys have writing already? If not, are you close to discovering it?
[00:24] Kloreep> [00:23] BigFree> we are 6 tunrs away
[00:24] Rhothaerill> Here is something perhaps...what if our deal switches and they don't give us iron, but writing instead. MAST can try to get IW from them and we will in turn get it from MAST for mathematics...with all the appropriate tech points and everything thrown in.
[00:25] Kloreep> [00:23] BigFree> we are 6 tunrs away
[00:25] Kloreep> [00:25] Kloreep> Math is a little farther off than that for us IIRC
[00:25] Kloreep> Hmm, interesting
[00:25] Kloreep> That would delay our discovery of IW quite a bit though
[00:25] Kloreep> We might miss out on iron
[00:26] Rhothaerill> True.
[00:26] Rhothaerill> It's just a possibility.
[00:26] Kloreep> Do you think we should try to compare GNPs?
[00:26] Kloreep> See if us doing CoL could still work?
[00:26] Rhothaerill> You can ask. I don't have a problem with it.
[00:27] Kloreep> [00:26] BigFree> You can catch up while we research CoL
[00:27] Kloreep> [00:26] BigFree> it cost 10 while Phil is 6
[00:27] Kloreep> [00:26] Kloreep> Yes, there's still the problem of Writing
[00:27] Kloreep> [00:27] BigFree> TRUE
[00:27] Kloreep> [00:27] BigFree> maybe we can gift it to you....
[00:28] Rhothaerill> Hmm, if they're willing, talk to them about your original plan.
[00:28] Kloreep> [00:27] BigFree> maybe you might get lucky with ahut
[00:28] Kloreep> [00:27] Kloreep> True
[00:28] Kloreep> [00:27] BigFree> and get Poly or somehting, then you can pay us back
[00:28] Kloreep> [00:28] BigFree> If we gift Writing to you, you can think of it as a loan
[00:28] Kloreep> [00:28] Kloreep> It hasn't come up with my team, but I'd be okay with IOUing tech points back in exchange for Writing
[00:28] Rhothaerill> I'm fine with it too. I believe Sharpe was the other day as well.
*snip*
[00:29] Kloreep> [00:28] BigFree> sure
[00:29] Kloreep> [00:28] Kloreep> Also, maybe we should compare economies
[00:29] Kloreep> [00:28] Kloreep> If our's is a little stronger right now, it might be possible for us to do CoL in time to exchange for Philo
[00:29] Kloreep> [00:29] BigFree> anything that keeps us on different paths and not repeating resaerch but alos gives what is due to those that resaerched or was "lucky" with huts.
[00:29] Kloreep> [00:29] Kloreep> Agreed.
[00:29] Kloreep> [00:29] Kloreep> Repeating each other's tech paths would be wasteful
[00:29] Kloreep> [00:29] BigFree> cool
[00:30] Kloreep> If they'd be willing to go with IOUs, perhaps we shouldn't even bother trying to go for CoL instead
[00:30] Kloreep> If we finish Philo way ahead of them, we can just start on something like Currency sooner
[00:30] Kloreep> And it'll even out in the end
[00:31] Rhothaerill> True. They'd have to trust us, but I really don't want to play an untrustworthy game.
[00:31] Rhothaerill> If they are willing to trust us I'd say go for it as we will not let them down.
[00:32] Kloreep> Agreed
[00:33] Rhothaerill> If we finish earlier and start on currency, well I don't know what the exact tech point equation is off the top of my head but I wouldn't have any problem gifting it to them to make up our tech point disparity if that is what it works out as.
[00:34] Rhothaerill> Something else...we should talk to MAST too and see if we can get them going on polytheism.
[00:34] Kloreep> Agreed
[00:34] Rhothaerill> Arny is in ISDG right now.
[00:34] Kloreep> Poly would be good, as that would keep HBR open as a possiblity for us to backtrack to to pay off IOUs
[00:35] Kloreep> I'd wait on encouraging them until we have something signed with Sunshine though
*snip*
[00:44] Rhothaerill> Anything more from BF yet?
[00:46] Kloreep> Nope
[00:51] Rhothaerill> Just checked out the numbers for tech points. We would owe them 10 tech points. Lit is 10, Mapmaking 12, and Currency 16.
[00:53] Rhothaerill> If we did Currency then they would owe us 6 tech points. Mapmaking might be a better option since it's only 12...though we could also see if MAST would do that one if we gift them writing. We'll see.
[00:54] Kloreep> -3 tech points from previous trades
[00:55] Kloreep> So they'd owe us 9 if we did currency
[00:55] Rhothaerill> Actually mine included the math/IW trade so it would only be one. So we'd owe them 9 then.
[00:55] Kloreep> Hmm
[00:55] Kloreep> How much is Rep?
[00:56] Rhothaerill> 28 I think, let me check.
[00:56] Kloreep> Ouch
[00:56] Rhothaerill> Yep 28.

Last edited by Kloreep on 30-10-2003 at 04:58

	06-11-2003 06:11									#34
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*bump*

We're going to have to renegotiate. Again.

I suggest we just go for a Math-Writing trade with Sunshine giving us more IOUs. Maybe we can then be the ones to research CoL; I bet that our economy is stronger than Sunshine.

Sound good?

	06-11-2003 06:24									#35
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Sounds good! I'm glad we didn't finish that tech trade set-up now.

	07-11-2003 08:49									#36
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quote: * Togas has joined #feast Togas> hello * Kloreep sets mode: +o Nimitz Kloreep> Hi * Kloreep sets mode: +o Togas Sharpe> Hi! Togas> What's on the menu? Kloreep> Some of our chef's attempts at Roman cuisine Kloreep> We contacted LL Sharpe> we also just finished Mathematics Togas> excellent Sharpe> through a series of proposed trades with the other teams - we would like to trade math for writing if you want Sharpe> would be an even trade in terms of cost Togas> we had worked out a plan of myst + IW for Math + 20g Togas> wait, hold on. Togas> reading the last message... Togas> most recent message says, "Tabemono proposes we simply trade Math on our side for Iron Working on yours and add two more tech point IOUs on your side Sharpe> well we are thinking that we could work together better on getting the techs beyond writing with you Togas> what do you have in mind? Sharpe> well there are 4 techs beyond writing, we can work on one of the republic techs while you do the other, or one on map making and the other on literature etc Togas> that's going to be tough to do Sharpe> depends on how fast each of us can research tech versus the other Togas> MAST is working on CoL Togas> we have Philosophy Togas> we're working on MM Sharpe> and LL is working on Polytheism, that leaves Literature doesn't it? Togas> yep, but it's a non-req tech. Sharpe> would be very useful to you guys being scientific wouldn't it? Togas> we'll get that one later pretty each. What we need is for someone to do currency Togas> and construction, since LL and MAST are tied up on different tech trees Sharpe> it is possible I suppose Sharpe> Currency is expensive admittedly Togas> we would be happy to trade you Writing & MM for currency Togas> oh, and WM Togas> I think that would also be close enough to even us out. Togas> Writing (8) + Mapmaking (12) + WM for Currency (16) Kloreep> What about math? Togas> math (8) for IW (6) + 2 IWUs Togas> we use the IOUs in the next deal ... the currency one Kloreep> We traded with LL for it already Kloreep> (IW) Togas> why? Togas> I guess it doesn't matter, really Sharpe> that was what they offered for math Togas> we already had a deal for it Togas> kloreep sent us a PM back on 10/26 Kloreep> ? Kloreep> Hmm, here's the PM I sent on the 26th: Kloreep> Greetings to our sunny friends. We recently made contact with the MAST team and signed a deal with them for Mysticism. As such, we regretfully must negotiate a different deal without Mysticism. Tabemono proposes we simply trade Math on our side for Iron Working on yours and add two more tech point IOUs on your side. Kloreep> Also, what are you planning on researching after Writing? We're interested in the The Republic. If that's your goal, perhaps we can work out a cooperation deal, one team researching CoL and the other Philosophy. Kloreep> -Kloreep, Tabejin Sharpe> was that around the time of your computer accident Togas? Togas> yep Togas> that's the one Kloreep> Hmm Kloreep> Then we chatted with BF a little Kloreep> He said you guys were still debating Kloreep> And I don't think we ever got back to each other Togas> we were bummed about losing mysticism Togas> but decided that some trade is better than no trade Kloreep> I don't think we ever heard anything to that effect though Kloreep> Nothing in our correspondance thread Togas> I dunno what to say. Togas> you guys decide what's fair. Kloreep> Like I said, our perspective: Kloreep> We propose Math for IW Kloreep> We chat with BF, he indicates it'll probably pass but that team members are still responding Kloreep> Nothing after that Togas> I don't think it's very sunny to blame us, since we had an agreement before hand. : Togas> Kloreep> What's your team's perspective of events on this? Togas> no idea Togas> we were just waiting for you to finish math so we could trade Kloreep> So I guess we miscommunicated somewhere if there are no missing messages... Kloreep> I'm not blaming you, I'm just saying what our perspective on this was. Kloreep> We assumed you would send a message once/if your team agreed to the deal Togas> I guess I can go tell my team the bad news Togas> anyhow, I know you guys have things to discuss Togas> if you can find a happy way out of this dilema, let me know Togas> drop me a PM later if you think of something Togas> I'll be idle a bit, gotta watch a basketball game * Togas has left #feast

Must resist urge to beat Sunshine with large drumstick...

Are they trying to pull the wool over our eyes, or just uncoordinated? They never told us they agreed. We never asked, so we certainly dropped the ball as much as them, but we sent a PM and chatted with BigFree. (Edit: And in comparison, they sent/initiated nada.) Despite what I said to Togas, I think it's ultimately their fault.

I really want to tell them to just stuff it and work out a new trade with us. The situation isn't likely to change drastically again with all our contacts made, so they can at least be happy about that. Any idea how to say that politely? What should be our policy here?

You guys can decide, cuz I'm gone till thursday or friday next week

	07-11-2003 10:02									#37
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CONQUER THEM!!!



But, seriously, it was just poor communication. If they can't get over that, then we will never have a solid relationship with them. Hopefully they won't pull RP diplomacy (nothing personal, RP guys ) and we can work past this. If war is brewing between LL and MAST, we will be good friends to have for the tech game.

	07-11-2003 23:00									#38
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Does anyone else have any opinions on the trade issue?

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I have a few words on this kind of diplomacy. Been their done that. Let just align with MAST/LL and take them out. j/k i think.
Aggie

	08-11-2003 01:17									#40
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I'm of the same opinion as Zargon. It was a miscommunication. They didn't return to us that they were still interested and we didn't pursue it with them. They need to get over it!

	10-11-2003 06:16									#41
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Ack, glad I was able to log in on vacation (grandparents with an internet connection are a good thing ) as it seems Togas only sent this to me.

quote: Tabemono, Team Sunshine is very saddened that our tech trade deal was spoiled by team Latin Lover, and that Tabemono let us down by not trading with us. Some of my team members have said some cloudy things with regards to Team Tabemono due to this, but I do not want to see our good friendship get spoiled by this unfortunate situation. I think it was a mistake, but one that we can fix if you're willing. What do you say? Here's something we came up with: We give Writing. You give Math Then once you aquire currency: We give Horseback Riding + Philosophy + gold. You give Currency. We're thinking something like 40g. We don't have a lot of gold because we've been researching at max, but we should have that much by the time you finish currency. Just need to kill some barbs. If you agreed, we would need your word that you will follow through and not change the deal later on. We would also require that even if you got the techs through goodie hut or trade/sale/gift or whatever, you would still be required to give us Currency when aquired. We also require a no-trade agreement now that team LL has whored our IW out to everyone else We don't want to be mean or angry or bitter, but we are sad and feel that we've been taken advantage of, mostly by Team LL for selling IW to you and it seems that MAST is even buying it from them. We just wish Tabemono had stood by their original offer to us of Math for IW instead of giving it to LL. Anyhow, it has been a very cloudy day here in Sunshinia... --Togas

I'm dubious about locking in so far, but I've only just read the message myself. Some things I think we should make clear to them:
Point #1: We do not break deals for huts, for contacts, for whatever. But if they want a deal, we need more than "Yeah, a few members think it's good; we'll get back to you." We need an actual communication of acceptance.
Point #2: We should express our condolences for having "their" tech whored around by LL. I would be upset too. (And if we want to make a jab, we could say "if only you had communicated with us..." j/k)
Point #3: We wish to do business with them too. Perhaps we should express hurt too over Sunshine's stance toward us, when we have been just as betrayed by their "Oh, didn't we telepathically tell you we had accepted? You should have known!" attitude.

As I said, not sure about the deal. I probably won't be on again soon enough to chime in on this issue.

End of message finally. Damn QWERTY keyboard's slowing me down.

	10-11-2003 08:32									#42
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I'd say we might as well take the deal. We need writing, and there's no need to be extra picky about our Math dealings. We'll just tell Sunshine that we're sorry things didn't work, we need to improve our communication on both sides in the future, and let's move on.

	11-11-2003 23:00									#43
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Deja Vu...

It looks to me like they are asking for an awfull lot there.

I agree with Kloreep on this. Don't give so much, the deal was never agreed to, they need to realize that for future deals. This will only lead to much more complicated things later if they don't. We can make a 'rule' of having it in writting, via PM that each team accepts before something is officially agreed.

	11-11-2003 23:48									#44
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Well, in the last turn I sent Math to them unaccepted. The onus is now on them to work with us to hammer out the details of the deal.

	14-11-2003 00:01									#45
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I got this when I checked my email between conquest sessions..
"Team Sunshine will not put Writing until you respond saying you agree to the terms of the deal as sent by Mr. Togas.

-- HarryH"

For the record I'm becoming more and more of the opinion that Sunshine needs to get eclipsed.
This kind of diplomatic action lead to the current unhappiness(or excitement in my opinion) in the first PTWDG.
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	14-11-2003 02:52									#46
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Yeah, I'm not liking their tone much, either. Mayhap it is time to talk to LL about acquiring writing...

	14-11-2003 07:09									#47
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Back from my trip. Going to be busy still though; I'll have some time on the weekend.

Comparing tech points, Sunshine is out of their minds. They owe us 1 tech point already, and after this deal we'd be short another 7 tech points (minus whatever the 40 gold would account for, so more like 5 or 4 tech points). We need more I think.

I still want to deal with Sunshine though. I don't want to buy a tech we know is theirs from LL. We may not be able to anyway if LL is sworn to NTA

	14-11-2003 08:39									#48
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Chat with Togas.

quote: * Togas has joined #feast Togas> hello Sharpe> Hi! * Nimitz has joined #feast Nimitz> hello all Sharpe> We have a counterproposal re your trade proposal Sharpe> Math for Writing first - that is even in cost Sharpe> then Map Making + Philosophy for Currency and 20 gold Togas> let me take a look at the chart. Sharpe> oops plus the 1 IOU that we have from the first trade Togas> MM (12) + Philo (6) for Currency (16)? Togas> oh, wait. Sorry Togas> you guys also give gold Sharpe> plus 20 gold + the 1 IOU from the first trade that you owed us Nimitz> right Togas> let me check to make sure this doesn't conflict with anything we have in the works. Sharpe> k Togas> I think it'll work Togas> I'll post it. How soon do you guys need to know? Sharpe> when you play your next turn would be nice Togas> I think we can get a decision before we get the save again. We're pretty small. Sharpe> If so great Sharpe> we have the save now Togas> You guys also agree to No-Trade on the tech you get from us? We'll agree not to trade the tech we get from you. * Kloreep sets mode: +oo Nimitz Togas Sharpe> yeah a NTA for both would be good Togas> Also, if you guys get MM or Philo from another source, or we get Currency from another source, we both still promise to go forward with the trade. Agreed? Sharpe> discussing , just a moment Sharpe> Agreed Togas> excellent Togas> I think this is fair. I'm going to reccomend it to our Sunshine Leader. Sharpe> though we should try to avoid trading with other civs if possible re these techs Togas> we'll let you know by the time we play the save Sharpe> k Sharpe> who is your leader these days? Togas> right now it's HarryH Sharpe> k Togas> we rotate every 10 turns Sharpe> interesting concept Sharpe> we don't have a leader actually Togas> we sort of have a succession game-like concept. Ministers are a bit more stable. Sharpe> we are trying to go for team consensus whenever possible Togas> that's hard to do Sharpe> yeah Sharpe> but it has worked so far - plus everyone gets an equal say Togas> no "head chef"? Sharpe> we switch tiebreaker hats Sharpe> haven't had to do that yet Sharpe> Togas> there's a saying that goes "too many chefs spoil the broth" Kloreep> But the more around the table the merrier Togas> but with a small team, it does seem easier to do. Togas> we really only have about 4 active members on our team, anyhow. Sharpe> who cares about making the food, we just want to eat it Togas> Togas> I'm glad to work things out. We truely don't want there to be a problem between our teams. We're trying to stick to the "sunshine" team concept. Sharpe> well we could use your sun for our crops Togas> LOL Sharpe> anything other topics to discuss? Togas> want to trade maps once we get mapmaking? Sharpe> hmm, we can bring it up for discussion - admittedly the map is looking interesting so far Togas> it is a very unusual map that Panzer made for us Sharpe> someone was wondering how long you guys had until MM was done Sharpe> and I suppose you wouldn't mind an estimate re currency Togas> let me check. Togas> currently 16 turns. Togas> but we're about to build a new city, so that time should drop Sharpe> btw, we do need to put that trade proposal to a vote - but since it is fair I would be surprised if it ran into any problems Togas> can you vote on it now? Nimitz> but there are only three of us Nimitz> so thats 3 for it but Nimitz> there are others on the team Sharpe> yeah, we have a few more actives than Sunshine Togas> gotcha Togas> please let us know, officially, once you finish voting. Sharpe> k Sharpe> with 3 for , we may need only one more for a majority Sharpe> maybe 2 Togas> where's Zargon? Nimitz> we don't know Nimitz> hes gone till 11 Kloreep> AFK till 11 Kloreep> EST, that is

	15-11-2003 02:29									#49
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quote: [14:10] Kloreep> BTW, Tabemono passed the proposed deal [14:11] Kloreep> How's Sunshine's discussion going? [14:12] BigFree> I think it passed [14:13] BigFree> there have been no objections. [14:13] BigFree> I think you get it this turn [14:13] Kloreep> Okay [14:13] Kloreep> Should I send a PM for you guys to sign?

No response yet... guess Conquests is engrossing.

How does this look for a PM:

quote: Tabemono-Sunshine tech trade: -Sunshine trades Writing to Tabemono for Mathematics immediately -Tabemo will trade Currency + 20 gold to Sunshine for Philosophy and Map Making once the involved techs are researched. Sunshine's 1 tech point IOU to Tabemono is considered payed by this trade. -Neither team can trade the techs acquired from the other -If a team gains one of the involved techs through another means (eg huts), the other part of the trade must still go through. Signed by Kloreep on behalf of Tabemono

	15-11-2003 02:50									#50
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Ok, that's good. I sent Togas a short note this afternoon saying it had passed, also I didn't have time to get the official text, so I'm glad you were able to.

	15-11-2003 02:59									#51
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Ah, okay. I think we can consider it passed on our side then. On theirs too, though an official note from them would be nice.

	15-11-2003 03:26									#52
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BF said an official signed copy would be good, and also that Togas is a little busy right now, so I sent the above to BF after all

	15-11-2003 12:23									#53
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quote: [01:17] Kloreep> If you don't mind my asking, how's the discussion going? [01:18] Kloreep> Can you sign it yet? [01:22] BigFree> yes, its done [01:22] BigFree> just not sent [01:22] BigFree> sorry Im busy MP ing now [01:22] Kloreep> np

	17-11-2003 07:13									#54
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From Togas

quote: Tabemono-Sunshine tech trade: -Sunshine trades Writing to Tabemono for Mathematics immediately -Tabemo will trade Currency + 20 gold to Sunshine for Philosophy and Map Making once the involved techs are researched. Sunshine's 1 tech point IOU to Tabemono is considered payed by this trade. -Neither team can trade the techs acquired from the other -If a team gains one of the involved techs through another means (eg huts), the other part of the trade must still go through. Signed by Kloreep on behalf of Tabemono Signed by Togas on behalf of Team Sunshine

	29-11-2003 00:05									#55
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PMed to Togas:

quote: Tabemono asks that you please don't move Gary's Brother onto any roads that are outside our territory this turn (1425 BC), as we have a unit coming through. Thank you

	29-11-2003 00:07									#56
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That PM should go to HarryH as well. He is the current Sunshine leader.

	29-11-2003 00:09									#57
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Sent to HarryH

	17-12-2003 07:27									#58
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receieved from Togas:

quote: ZargonX, Greetings from Sunshinia! We are happy to let you know that we have Mapmaking and Philosophy. Please offer us Currency + 20g once you finish researching it. We are currently working on Construction. We also have Horseback Riding and Polytheism to trade. Please let us know if you'd like to work up any other trade agrements. We have one more request: Our warrior/scout "Gary's Brother" is trying to come home, but he will have to cross through Tabemono territory. We humbly ask that you allow him to cross through your territory so that he can come back and be reunited with his brother. Let's chat soon. --Togas

I will try to meet him for a chat this evening.

	18-12-2003 01:37									#59
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Interesting. I have no problem with letting him through our territory, so long as it's clear this is a one-time deal.

Edit: Upon reviewing the save, they can exit without actually entering our territory; rather brushing by it. I would encourage them to just move 4-1-2. If that doesn't work because a unit is blocking them, then we can discuss this again.

Last edited by Kloreep on 18-12-2003 at 01:42

	18-12-2003 01:54									#60
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Actually this is a perfect opportunity. We want to get close to Sunshine territory to see their cities correct? Why not let them pass through the territory of a city they already know about...and then they can't squawk when we get perhaps a little "too close" to their borders. Just a thought. Either way is fine.