19-08-2004 11:09									#121
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quote: Hello! Team Sunshine would like to let you know that we are still researching Theology. We will be for another 17 turns. We'd like to know what technology Tabemono is building and if we can arrange for a trade in the near future. We are also curious about your feelings on the Monkey war overseas. Our hearts go out to those helpless creatures who are being victimized by acts of cruel agression. We are discussing the war amongst ourselves. We would like to know what our good friends and allies feel is the best thing to do. We are always open to new ideas. --Togas, Friendly Relations for Team Sunshine

We need to talk with CoD and Python about selling our techs to this continent.

As for the Monkeys, it's our fault they got contact so early. I don't think we can support them.

	10-09-2004 10:35									#122
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quote: Hello neighbors! We at Sunshine just wanted to give you an update on how things are going. We have heard little from you and are curious to find out how things are going with your Latin neighbors. Can you give us an update on things with them? We are researching Theology. What are you researching? We'd like to try to aquire your extra spices. Do you think you can part with one? What sort of deal can we work out? We look forward to hearing from you soon! --Togas, Friendly Relations

	23-09-2004 10:47									#123
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quote: [23:59] [ZargonX] good ol' Feast [23:59] [Kloreep|idle] [23:53] [Togas] Sunshine & Tabemono [23:59] [Kloreep|idle] [23:53] [Togas] did we have an agreement to get invention from you? [23:59] [Kloreep|idle] [23:53] [Kloreep|idle] I don't think so, but I'm not sure [23:59] [Kloreep|idle] [23:53] [Togas] also, i need a response to my previous PM about how things are going [23:59] [Kloreep|idle] [23:53] [Togas] we're curious about tech, tensions, and spices [23:59] [Kloreep|idle] [23:57] [Togas] what tech are you researching? [23:59] [Kloreep|idle] [23:57] [Togas] and can you guys trade us spices? [23:59] * Kloreep|idle sets mode: +o ZargonX [00:00] [ZargonX] do we have an extra spice right now? [00:00] [Kloreep|idle] I'm not sure [00:00] [ZargonX] I can't remember if we do or not... [00:00] [Kloreep|idle] Incense is the colony we have only 1 of, but they have some anyway [00:00] * Togas has joined #feast [00:00] [Togas] Hello [00:00] [ZargonX] welcome, Sunshiner! [00:00] [Togas] We're wondering what tech you are researching [00:01] [Togas] We can't remember who's doing Invention [00:01] [Togas] I've also been asked to ask you about getting spices [00:01] [ZargonX] spices... [00:03] [ZargonX] we actually don't have spices for trade at the moment [00:03] [Togas] [00:03] [Togas] do you guys have any extra luxes? [00:03] * Kloreep|idle sets mode: +o Togas [00:03] [ZargonX] unfortunately, no [00:03] [ZargonX] the food gods have not blessed us with bountiful spices or delicious dyes [00:04] [Togas] Are there any plans to aid the Monkeys? [00:04] [ZargonX] ah, the Monkeys... [00:04] [ZargonX] well, basically, we have a sort of non-interference agreement with that continent [00:05] [Togas] how long does that last? [00:05] [ZargonX] there was no time frame set on it [00:05] [ZargonX] so I guess until one side decides to interfere [00:05] [ZargonX] are you planning on aiding them? [00:05] [Togas] we were thinking about gifting them tech [00:06] [Togas] but then the topic of discussion died and we sort of dropped the ball [00:07] [ZargonX] yeah, they've never actually contacted us asking for help [00:07] [ZargonX] so, I guess they figure they've got their own affairs in order [00:07] [Togas] what tech are you researching? [00:08] [ZargonX] well, um... we're sort of researching the hoarding of gold at the moment... [00:08] [ZargonX] which isn't so much a science as one might think [00:09] [Togas] no 40 turn tech? [00:09] [ZargonX] not at the moment [00:09] [Togas] what will you do with all that gold?? [00:10] [ZargonX] well, as under the treaty we agreed to a while back... [00:10] [Kloreep|idle] Upgrading military [00:10] [Kloreep|idle] Which brings us to a big topic we need to discuss with you guys... [00:10] [ZargonX] there is a very high probability that there will be food-related hostilities in the near future [00:10] [Togas] yes. Please do [00:10] [Togas] food fight! [00:10] [ZargonX] it was inevitable [00:11] [Togas] will those Latin Lovers get the pudding knocked out of them? [00:11] [ZargonX] of course, we may have some more luxes available to trade you soon after that [00:12] [Togas] Luxes make us happy, of course. [00:12] [Togas] Any timeframe for such a fight to break out? [00:12] [Togas] And what do you need from us? [00:12] [ZargonX] Well, I won't say anything official, but I mean, c'mon, their empire has a #$(*ing tail! [00:12] [ZargonX] what's up with that!? [00:13] [Togas] [00:13] [Kloreep|idle] No exact timeframe yet [00:13] [Kloreep|idle] One big thing we're waiting for is Leo's [00:13] [Kloreep|idle] Barring someone else with a palace prebuild, we get it in about 10 turns [00:13] [Togas] [00:14] [ZargonX] As for what we would need from our Sunshiney pals... [00:14] [ZargonX] 1) don't tell LL [00:14] [Togas] of course [00:14] [ZargonX] 2) perhaps some gold for upgrades? I don't know what your economy is like [00:15] [ZargonX] 3) and, of course, if you are intersted, you are more than welcome to come along for the ride, though I know that's against your nature [00:16] [Togas] do you guys have invention? [00:16] [Kloreep|idle] Yep, we do [00:17] [ZargonX] what are you guys researching right now? [00:17] [Togas] Theo [00:17] [ZargonX] cool [00:17] [ZargonX] are you going to continue along the upper branch? [00:18] [Togas] we'll go Edu next [00:19] [ZargonX] nice [00:19] [Togas] we'll discuss what to do about the war. Going along is against the concept of this team (hippies) but maybe we'll find a way to make it make sense. [00:20] [ZargonX] Well, Hoplites are always useful [00:20] [Togas] indeed [00:20] [ZargonX] and those LL squares are always keeping women down, and that's not very much in the spirit of Love and Peace [00:21] [Togas] I'll post this chat to our team and see what responses I get to the war. [00:21] [ZargonX] excellent [00:21] [Togas] but "war" is sort of dirty word in our culture [00:21] [ZargonX] hopefully your team will be in support [00:22] [ZargonX] just call it a "food redistribution" [00:22] [ZargonX] that's what we do [00:23] [ZargonX] we'll keep you posted as we get closer to the actual time [00:23] [ZargonX] and plans start to solidify [00:24] [Togas] sounds good [00:24] [Togas] just keep us in the loop [00:25] [ZargonX] definately [00:27] [ZargonX] ok, K, I've got to get to bed! [00:27] [ZargonX] send on that nightmare! [00:27] [ZargonX]

	14-10-2004 08:31									#124
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quote: Hello good friends! We are team Sunshine have had some cloudy days as of late, as we have had trouble with lost luxuries. As you may know, we have a trade deal worked out with the Latin Lovers for their dyes, but the route is a long, complicated voyage that we think goes through your roads, harbor, then MAST's harbor, and finally to us. Somewhere along that route (we guess) a barbarian cut off our access to the dyes. We think it wise that we build a road between us to shorten the length of travel time for trade between us. We know that there are plans for a food fight in the north. Should the Latins attack you we will do our best to aid you with our fast moving horsemen/knights. Of course, they are no where near as fast as your Riders. Once your war on LL starts, we will (again) lose luxuries. Please give us advanced warning so that we can adjust our lux slider to compensate for the riots that will ensue. We are peaceful people who have no interest in taking Latin lands or cities. We only want luxuries to make our people happy. Should you obtain new luxuries, we hope that you will allow us to aquire them from you at a reasonable fee. We would also like to trade you Theology for Invention. We will have Theology soon and pledge to gift it to you immediately, if you will do the same with Invention. We hope to hear back from you soon. Peace! --Togas

	14-10-2004 17:58									#125
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Several questions, and I can respond today.

1. They know we are planning an attack???

2. What happened to the road to paradise project?

	15-10-2004 09:47									#126
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Several questions, and I can respond today. 1. They know we are planning an attack???

See the chat log above. ZX and I told them. We are required to tell them under our treaty, after all.

quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx 2. What happened to the road to paradise project?

Err, good question.

I'll get a worker on that. Several workers if possible. The eastern workers are a bit busy getting ready for the FP, though; before the FP, that area could be largely ignored, so we have a fair amount of terrain improvements to set up htere.

	16-10-2004 00:22									#127
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quote: Greetings our sunny friends. I am attempting to get back now that there is a little more free time after spending a summer moving at home and working lots of overtime at work. First of all, I am a little surprised at the state of the trade infrastructure right now. Before my time was taken from me, there was a chat about the "Road to Paradise" project for the express purpose of expediting trade between us. I have been assured that "at least one, and hopefully more" workers will be dedicated to this project, it having slipped the minds of some of the turn players during the time I was away... We will do everything in our power to inform you in advance before you lose luxuries, and to rectify the situation as quickly as possible as well. We've been over before that Tech is really not my forte. However, I see no reason that the techies won't approve it enthusiastically either. -UnOrthOdOx

	16-10-2004 00:37									#128
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quote: Greetings again. Just looking over the chatlog with you and Zargon, I thought I should explain the monkey situation a little as I was mostly involved in that decision. As a part of the major map trading initiative that I introduced, in order for us to procure said map, we had to agree to a non-interference treaty with the other continent for the duration of the monkey wars. Given the knowledge that this has granted all teams on our own continent, I believe it was a fair trade-off. Most especially when it freed the other teams on this continent to choose themselves to sign similar agreements or not, yet sped knowledge of the map to the teams as quickly as possible. I cannot say that it didn't cross our minds that it was entirely possible, and perhaps for the best, that some native teams WOULD aid team monkey... That said, on a personal note: I will not tolerate the gifting of lands for the express purpose of saving a faction. Period. Not a team stance, mind you, but you know where I stand. -UnOrthOdOx

	06-12-2004 07:39									#129
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Chat with Trip. I still have the window open.

quote: [20:12] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] BTW, that road to connect to you guys is almost complete [20:12] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] Shall I move the worker stack in to Peace Pipes territory and continue, or do you guys want to do that yourselves? [20:14] [Trip] well, if you would continue we'd appreciate it [20:15] [Trip] I am currently dealing with a massive Worker shortage :P [20:15] [Trip] I came into my reign with only 10 [20:16] [Trip] have a few WOrkers in the area but they're chopping jungle [20:16] [Trip] so yes, if you'd finish the final tile that'd be great [20:16] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] k, we can spare the workers [20:16] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] Is the iron E of Peace Pipes roaded? [20:16] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] I'm wondering if I should go on the hill so we don't road jungle [20:17] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] Or if it would be faster to go on jungle to make a connection to that hill [20:17] [Trip] yes, the iron is roaded [20:17] [Trip] let me look at a screenshot [20:17] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] All right [20:17] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] I'll move them NE of Peace Pipes and road there [20:17] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] Er [20:17] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] NE-NE, that is [20:18] [Trip] yes, that works [20:18] [Trip] NE NE or NE E [20:18] [Trip] either one [20:18] [Trip] have we worked out a tech deal yet? [20:18] [Trip] I forget [20:18] [Trip] my diplo corps has vanished [20:18] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] Same here [20:18] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] I don't believe we have [20:20] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] Let me check... [20:20] [Trip] alright [20:20] [Trip] have you acquired Gunpowder yet? [20:20] [Trip] it appears the other continent has it [20:21] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] We had discussed Invention for Theo but hadn't finalized is the last I see [20:22] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] Yes, we have gunpowder now too [20:23] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] How are you guys doing on Edu? [20:23] [Trip] we are not yet done with Theo [20:23] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] You aren't? [20:23] [Trip] no [20:23] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] For some reason I thought you were [20:23] [Trip] 3 turns when we get the next turn [20:23] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] k [20:25] [Trip] we should be able to get Gunpowder and Invention for Theology [20:26] [Trip] with gold added for Gunpowder, of course [20:43] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] I'm not sure what the points are, but I bet we can work something out like that [20:43] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] BTW, when you see Leo's on F7, yes, that's for real [20:43] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] Finally finished [20:55] [Trip] next turn? [20:56] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] Yep [20:56] [Trip] ahh [20:56] [Trip] I wonder what LL is building [20:56] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] I would guess Leo's [20:57] [Trip] probably [20:57] [Trip] congrats on that [20:57] [Kloreep|PTWDG2] What they'll be building after next turn, I don't know [20:57] [Trip] we've been focusing on things besides wonders as of late

	11-12-2004 04:22									#130
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From Trip.

quote: Greetings from Team Sunshine. My team wishes to inquire about possible tech trades. We complete Theology in a few turns, and are willing to trade it for either Invention or for Gunpowder and some gold along with a no-trade agreement on both sides, of course. Thanks, hope to hear back soon. Trip Leader Team Sunshine

	19-12-2004 00:12									#131
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Sent to Togas and Trip. CCed (manually; ugh) to Cort Haus and Modo44.

quote: Hi guys. We've finally worked out the tech rights with CoD & Python, and here's a trade proposal: Sunshine gives Theology to Tabemono, CoD, and Python. All three teams agree to a NTA on Theology. Sunshine gets Invention and Gunpowder in return, agreeing to a NTA on both techs. (I guess we'll say it's Tabemono's responsibility to send them, though it should be whoever gets the turn next once this is signed unless a turnplayer forgets). In order to balance out the tech values, Sunshine pays Tabemono 85 gold, and CoD and Python each pay Sunshine 100 gold for a total of 200 gold. (Net gold gain for Sunshine: 115)

	20-12-2004 01:03									#132
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Back from Trip.

quote: Thanks for the PM Klo. I will post the message at the forum and we shall discuss it, though things look good from my end. I will try to give you an answer within the next couple days so you can pass the message onto CoD and Python.

	22-12-2004 07:53									#133
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quote: [20:47] [Trip] Sunshine accepts the tech deal [20:48] [Kloreep] Cool [20:50] [Trip] we complete Theology on the coming turn [20:50] [Kloreep] k [20:51] [Kloreep] We'll send Inv this turn [20:51] [Trip] alright [20:51] [Trip] and I will send it to each of the three teams [20:51] [Trip] to Tab accepted with the gold, and unaccepted to CoD and Python [20:51] [Kloreep] k

	04-03-2005 16:50									#134
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quote: Greetings Sunshine, First of all, forgive me for not talking about this sooner, but the ultimate decision was pretty much sporradic and based on boredom of the team. As you may have guessed the war with the Latins has begun. While we respect your position of neutrality, we still invite you to join in, a feast is better with company. Zargon has taken over as our turn player, and I will be doing my best in diplomacy for the team. You can reach me either through PM or through email at SirUlias where I use AOL. Just keep in mind, while I check regularly during the workweek, mostly in the wee early hours of the morning or late at night, my weekends are typically no longer spent by the computer. UnOrthOdOx, On behalf of Team Tabemono

	04-03-2005 20:10									#135
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Thanks, UnO!

	06-03-2005 20:52									#136
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quote: Hi Unortho, Thanks for the update. I can imagine that the game isn't exactly the most riveting thing going on, war is definitely a good way to stir up interest. We wish your Riders luck, but at the moment our military is definitely not situated to participate as I'm sure you can guess. In any case, if you're up for tech trading in the near future we may be able to work out a deal. Let us know what's good for you guys. Thanks, Sunshine

You'll have to tell me what we want in tech trades, oh tech point whores.