28-09-2003 02:01									#151
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DinoDoc, in the short term, yes. Like the merger of East and West Germany.

Still, we are now a crossroads. The Democrat party is now the home of Xenophobia. If we elect a Democrat like Dean, we will see the repeal of NAFTA and the WTO. This will severely damage the US economy, but it will devaste the Mexican economy. The pressure of poverty will force even more Mexicans to flee to the United States.

Clearly, in my view, the better road is to increase our cooperation with Mexico. I would not be surprised if this were a major issue in the upcoming election.

	28-09-2003 02:06									#152
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Why do you say the election of a Democrat will repeal NAFTA?
A Democrat came up with the bright idea.

	28-09-2003 02:06									#153
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quote: Spain was a shithole just 30 years ago and now is one of the fastest growing and prosperious

Deberías informarte un poco mejor. España hace 30 no era ningún ´shithole´ como tú dices.

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quote: Originally posted by Ned DinoDoc, in the short term, yes.

In the short term and long term. God, if you want to merge with another country at least choose one that wouldn't be such a useless drain on our resources (ex. the Bahamas). We had our chance to have Mexico and wisely chose not to take the whole thing.

	28-09-2003 02:13									#155
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Well, WTG, Doc.
That's sure to set Michael to foaming at the mouth.

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Mexico can have Texas back, I wouldent give a sh!t.

	28-09-2003 02:32									#157
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That's just too funny.
Mexico has had their collective asses kicked by Texas enough.

No mas, por favore!
That's all we could hear as they ran back down south.

	28-09-2003 02:52									#158
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand That's just too funny. Mexico has had their collective asses kicked by Texas enough. No mas, por favore! That's all we could hear as they ran back down south.

You ancestors went into Texas and promised they would obey mexican laws. When Mexico sent the army to enforce the law you jackasses revolted because they were in the way of your "manifest destiny." Now you guys think of the creeps like Sam Houston as heroes, not as the ungrateful brats who broke thier promise to Mexico City they really were.

F*CK THE ALAMO!

	28-09-2003 03:21									#159
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Don't talk trash at Texas. Your ass would be grass without us.

I could never talk trash about Texas.

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Odin, the first rambling was irritating.
That "sig line", so to speak, is about to have you on your back with a dazed and confused look on your face.

	28-09-2003 03:43									#161
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat After a century of occupation, they've been pretty much castrated of any opportunity for economic self-determination. Look at the relative standard of living - they have nothing close to the US, but they also have no independent opportunity to develop commercial ties, or do anything else independent of US oversight, regulation and law. There's a difference between colonialisation and voluntary merger.

I don’t know if I should laugh or cry at that post. Compare Porto Rico's Per Capita Income figures to Jamaica or the Bahamas or Cuba or any other similar Caribbean nation. Hmmm, Porto Rico has the highest PCI. I wonder why that is so? Could it be the tariff free access to US markets or the stable currency or the billions in federal subsidies or maybe that they all are US citizens so theyget Social Security and all the other social programs?

	28-09-2003 03:50									#162
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quote: Originally posted by Odin You ancestors went into Texas and promised they would obey mexican laws. When Mexico sent the army to enforce the law you jackasses revolted because they were in the way of your "manifest destiny." Now you guys think of the creeps like Sam Houston as heroes, not as the ungrateful brats who broke thier promise to Mexico City they really were.

To point out a few facts. When most of the Texans arrived in Texas Mexico was a democratic country. No body rebelled until after an horrible dictator siezed power and striped the people of their rights. When the people protested and petitioned the government Santa Anna response was to threaten to have all the white people driven out. That's when the rebellion happened.

BTW Several parts of Mexico also rebelled against Santa Anna's dictatorship. Texas was not the only one though it was the only successful one.

	28-09-2003 04:08									#163
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quote: Originally posted by thorgalaeg Deberías informarte un poco mejor. España hace 30 no era ningún ´shithole´ como tú dices.

Lo siento por usar lenguaje que solo ellos entienden, pero comparado con el resto de la EU e incluso con paises como Argentina estaban bastante atrasados.

De nuevo, disculpas por el uso indebido de esa palabra

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin To point out a few facts. When most of the Texans arrived in Texas Mexico was a democratic country. No body rebelled until after an horrible dictator siezed power and striped the people of their rights. When the people protested and petitioned the government Santa Anna response was to threaten to have all the white people driven out. That's when the rebellion happened.

Texans were breaking the law and acting like if it was their own country waaay before that

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I don’t know if I should laugh or cry at that post. Compare Porto Rico's Per Capita Income figures to Jamaica or the Bahamas or Cuba or any other similar Caribbean nation. Hmmm, Porto Rico has the highest PCI. I wonder why that is so? Could it be the tariff free access to US markets or the stable currency or the billions in federal subsidies or maybe that they all are US citizens so theyget Social Security and all the other social programs?

Puerto Rico: GDP per capita purchasing power parity - $11,500 (2002 est.)

Bahamas: GDP per capita purchasing power parity - $17,000 (2002 est.)


from your very own CIA factbook. Next time get your facts right

	28-09-2003 04:19									#166
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I think the right that most people protested over the loss thereof was the right to own slaves. Santa Anna outlawed slavery and the slaveowners rebelled, so he fought them. When he extended this law to Texas the Texan slaveowners, ex-Americans and Hispanic, fought him.

	28-09-2003 04:32									#167
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen Texans were breaking the law and acting like if it was their own country waaay before that

Yeah, right.
If the Texas Rangers hadn't rid the land of those scummy Apache, then Comanche, there would have been absolutely no desire by Santa****ingAnna to stay north.
Scum. Murdering rapist. Pinhead.

	28-09-2003 04:58									#168
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quote: Lo siento por usar lenguaje que solo ellos entienden, pero comparado con el resto de la EU e incluso con paises como Argentina estaban bastante atrasados.

En los 70 España estaba notablemente atrasada con respecto a Alemania, Francia o UK y en menor medida Italia, te lo concedo. Pero no con respecto a otros paises europeos menos avanzados. Y no con respecto a Argentina. Precisamente acabábamos de pasar por el Boom económico. En los 50, principio de los 60 España si era un ´shithole´
Por supesto esoy hablando en el aspecto económico. En el aspecto de las libertades eramos una caca.

	28-09-2003 05:03									#169
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Why the HELL are you talking about Argentina; or how
remarkably slow with respect to Germany, France or UK and to a lesser extent Italy, Spain was/is ?

Jackasses.

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It is just the other way aound.

	28-09-2003 05:18									#171
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Not my primary language. God knows I hear that enough.
Now it's my turn.

	28-09-2003 05:29									#172
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Listen, MtG and Zen, if Germany and France, old enemies, can virtually unite in an EU, so can we. NAFTA was a first step. We need to continue to discuss these issues to essentially erase the border and eventually move to a "common" citizenship. Circumstances are forcing us together.

What St. Leo said. We'll consider letting in Alaska, Washington, Michigan and upstate New York, but the rest of you have to stay American.

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quote: Originally posted by thorgalaeg En los 70 España estaba notablemente atrasada con respecto a Alemania, Francia o UK y en menor medida Italia, te lo concedo. Pero no con respecto a otros paises europeos menos avanzados. Y no con respecto a Argentina. Precisamente acabábamos de pasar por el Boom económico. En los 50, principio de los 60 España si era un ´shithole´ Por supesto esoy hablando en el aspecto económico. En el aspecto de las libertades eramos una caca.

Si seguimos la definicion de Amartya Sen pues mi pais es un shithole hoy dia tanto economicamente como tambien en liberades.

	28-09-2003 05:37									#174
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You guys are ****ing nuts; which is why whatever you do you'll be doing it without Texas.

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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand You guys are ****ing nuts; which is why whatever you do you'll be doing it without Texas.

and thus success is assured

	28-09-2003 22:04									#176
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse What St. Leo said. We'll consider letting in Alaska, Washington, Michigan and upstate New York, but the rest of you have to stay American.

Don't forget Minnesota. We can always use more hockey-friendly states .

	28-09-2003 22:06									#177
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Plus they'd provide a nice buffer so that Albertan separatists would finally have to shut up. I figure that New York would do the same for Quebec...

EDIT: Doh! that's Montana, not Minnesota.

	28-09-2003 23:21									#178
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I wouldn't want Montana if I were Canada.... (or Texas )

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I'm going to start a movement for Minnesota to secede frome the Union, then we will hold the US hostage via our iron mines.

	28-09-2003 23:56									#180
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Why do you say the election of a Democrat will repeal NAFTA? A Democrat came up with the bright idea.

Did you listen to the debate the other day. Dean basically called for tearing up current agreements, including the WTO. He said that he would refuse to trade with any country that did not have the same labor, safety and environmental standards as the US. Others questioned whether we would be so drastic, but did second the idea that we should "revise" the agreements to condition trade on "equivalent" labor, safety and environmental standards.

What does this all mean? If Mexico does not have a minimum wage the same as the US, NAFTA is over? If Mexican drivers aren't paid he same as US union teamsters, they cannot drive loads into the United States?

I somehow think these people cannot be serious, but you have heard much the same hear on this forum from the likes of Che and the others from the anti-globalist movement. It appears that Dean and many of the other Democrats have joined the anti-globalist movement.

Liebermann is highly critical of the other candidates, but he is trailing in the polls. I do not know where Clark stands.

Regardless, if Dean is nominated, this undoubtedly will be a major issue in the campaign. If he wins, Mexico and other trading partners now enjoying free trade can kiss prosperity good bye.