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Scotland 39 -d- USA 15

I'm sure I've seen more inept rugby, but I can't recall when. An orgy of handling errors, bad tactical decisions and general incompetence from both teams. Not to forget ref Kaplan, who delivered one of his most schoolmasterly efforts throughout, even denying Scotland an advantage, stopping the game while he gave one of the American players a card for an infringement.

Edit. Oh, and another thing! When is either a ref or a linesman going to call a forward pass in this tournament! Tonight's match was, yet again, littered with them!

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Can't look at any of your posts yet. I still have to wait another day to see the England/SA game.

Post replies though, I'll respond to them eventually.

Did any of you see the USA/Fiji game? What a cracker! It was US 6 Fiji 3 at half time. The Fijians had made several great line breaks, but never managed to finish them off. Despite spreading themselves a bit thin on several occasions, the US defence held. Not long into the second half, the US scored a brilliant try. The conversion put them ahead 10 points and they were looking good. Fiji replied with a couple of tries, and the score was suddenly US 13 Fiji 19. Time was running out, and with less than a minute to go, the US scored a try in the corner. Time was up and everything depended on the difficult conversion kick to come. The kick was long and straight, but ended up just missing. The poor guy who missed the kick...he looked like he was gonna cry.

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Well, it depends, as always, on which French team turns up.


As always...





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I'm sure I've seen more inept rugby, but I can't recall when.


I have resisted 20 minutes before considering I had far better things to do...

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Oh, and another thing! When is either a ref or a linesman going to call a forward pass in this tournament! Tonight's match was, yet again, littered with them!


And I thought such sentence could only come from Havak or I...

Finbar: is the title Pendulum ringing a bell?

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And I thought such sentence could only come from Havak or I...


I've always opposed this modern penchant for allowing forward passes!

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Finbar: is the title Pendulum ringing a bell?


Try another word! Pendulum is meaningless in this context! Your Petit Orphys has let you down this time! I can only assume you're trying to make some cheap point about me coming around to your point of view. If so, please confirm this. If not, please advise me what point you were trying to make. Either way, I shall happily supply you with the appropriate colloquialism!

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I still have to wait another day to see the England/SA game.


Is any further proof needed that America is a backward country?



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Did any of you see the USA/Fiji game? What a cracker!


Yes, good game. Pity the USA weren't as effective against Scotland last night. I think the need to back up again with the same intensity found them out. Which is fair enough, they're not used to this sort of rapid turnaround.

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guy who missed the kick...he looked like he was gonna cry.


Learned his rugby in the Sydney club competition, too!

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Try another word! Pendulum is meaningless in this context! Your Petit Orphys has let you down this time! I can only assume you're trying to make some cheap point about me coming around to your point of view. If so, please confirm this. If not, please advise me what point you were trying to make. Either way, I shall happily supply you with the appropriate colloquialism!




I was trying to know if you would remember the band that has recorded this album, I was nor citing a colloquialism nor pretending you are changing your mind easily... "espèce de soupe au lait!" (<-- that IS a colloquialism).

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Yeah, sure! Pull the other one, it plays Jingle Bells! (Now there's a colloquialism for you!) I caught you out trying to have cheap shot at me and you're trying to wriggle out of it!



The only album called Pendulum that springs to mind was recorded by Creedence Clearwater Revival. There have probably been several albums called the same thing since, but since there hasn't been any decent music since the late '60s/early 70s, they don't count!

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Yeah, sure! Pull the other one, it plays Jingle Bells! (Now there's a colloquialism for you!) I caught you out trying to have cheap shot at me and you're trying to wriggle out of it!




Trying to have a cheap shot at you... not at all!


I swear your honor...



Spit!



Ding!



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The only album called Pendulum that springs to mind was recorded by Creedence Clearwater Revival. There have probably been several albums called the same thing since, but since there hasn't been any decent music since the late '60s/early 70s, they don't count!



You are right! I have the vinyl and I have tried to find the CD version of this record for many years. I have found the CD yesterday, hence the little quizz... "petit soupe au lait!"



Pagan Baby, Chameleon and Born to move are real gems...

What is really funny is that I found this record many many years ago among the vinyls owned by my parents who have never listened at rock music nor understood anything about it... I guess they bought it because there was an orange sticker (it is still on the sleeve) saying number one in the world.

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Cleverly I managed to miss Scotland-USA last night.
Midnight to 2 is just a bit late and I forgot to tape it.

Anyone have predictions for Italy-Canada (before this degenerates into a new rendition of Fiera's 60's thread. )? I haven't seen the Azzurri in action yet.

[Edit: Can't spell Azzurri. ]

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Cleverly I managed to miss Scotland-USA last night.
Midnight to 2 is just a bit late and I forgot to tape it.


Believe me you have missed nothing, one of the poorest game I have seen for years...

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Anyone have predictions for Italy-Canada (before this degenerates into a new rendition of Fiera's 60's thread. )? I haven't seen the Azuri in action yet.


Italy 25 - Canada 13

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I just hope its another close game.
There have been far too many one-sided matches so far for my taste. Maybe they'll change the qualifying-pool system to a random draw next time?


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Doesn't sound like a bad guess actually (what with it being about 0430 in the AM over there I suppose? ). A few places I've seen have the Italians pegged at a win by 10 pts or so.
I just have to try and figure out who to support - its more of a problem without an SH team playing.

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I just hope its another close game.
There have been far too many one-sided matches so far for my taste. Maybe they'll change the qualifying-pool system to a random draw next time?


The one way games are not very interesting though the sods at France Télévision, the TV channel who has bought the rights of the WC in France, are only broacasting the games of the major nations or of the future opponents of France. It means almost no games outside of the week-end.

A random draw would not be interesting IMO, the major nations should meet later in the competition.

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Doesn't sound like a bad guess actually (what with it being about 0430 in the AM over there I suppose? ). A few places I've seen have the Italians pegged at a win by 10 pts or so.


Is it so late?

The Italians are not very good when they are compared to the major nations but they are still better than the Canadians who's backs are rather weak.

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Believe me you have missed nothing, one of the poorest game I have seen for years...


It was 3rd grade club standard. Even Townsend was fumbling easy balls in the end.

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Anyone have predictions for Italy-Canada (before this degenerates into a new rendition of Fiera's 60's thread. )?


There are worse fates!

Italy by 25.

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[Edit: Can't spell Azzurri. ]


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There have been far too many one-sided matches so far for my taste. Maybe they'll change the qualifying-pool system to a random draw next time?


It wouldn't change a thing. The top teams would still slaughter the minnows and still have good contests with each other.

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Cazzo!

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copyright Tamerlin 2003


I did fix it though.

[Edit: And I have a friend who may not be so forgiving if I fail to support Canada, erm, a second time. ]

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Canadians, to my knowledge, don't insert horses' heads into the beds of those who cross them.

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I can only put Havak's ongoing absence from this thread down to Leicester's loss to Leeds on the weekend - relegating them to the premiership ladder cellar - on top of the fraught England performance -v- the Springboks causing him to require a brief sojourn at the nearest Spa to take the restorative waters.

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Canadians, to my knowledge, don't insert horses' heads into the beds of those who cross them.


You haven't met many Canadians have you?
This one is an ice-hockey fan.


In truth though, I am a great admirer of Italy and its minor provinces. Why just the other day I conquered Naples, Siena, Tuscanny, Modena, the Papal States, Mantua and Genoa.
Now all proudly fly the banner of the Lion of Venice and send men to serve in my armies.
Austria and France beware. The bell will soon toll for thee.

... Erm, this isn't the Paradox forum is it?

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What is really funny is that I found this record many many years ago among the vinyls owned by my parents who have never listened at rock music nor understood anything about it... I guess they bought it because there was an orange sticker (it is still on the sleeve) saying number one in the world.


Hopefully you and your parents remain, like I am, devotees of the Little Sparrow.

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Havak's continuing absence should indeed have been down to that dismal performance at Leeds - how the mighty have fallen. And I'm angry with a very promising young lock for getting himself red carded for stamping during it.

But the real culprit is the common cold.

The bad thing about working for someone else is that the work piles up just as you need to catch up with important rugby talk. Looks like it will be tomorrow before I can catch up properly!

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Hopefully you and your parents remain, like I am,
devotees of the Little Sparrow.


This time the Petit Ophrys can't help me, is it the nickname of a singer or something like that?

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Gentlemen - seek out Zinzan's latest comments on the BBC Sport website - well worth reading.

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Gentlemen - seek out Zinzan's latest comments on the BBC Sport website - well worth reading.




This is exactly what I am thinking about this game and England, to the exception of his appreciation of Kyran Bracken but I suppose (hopefully for him) that he knows better than me.

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This time the Petit Ophrys can't help me, is it the nickname of a singer or something like that?



Edith Piaf!

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Gentlemen - seek out Zinzan's latest comments on the BBC Sport website - well worth reading.


Interestingly enough, and Zinzan obviously deliberately overlooked this because it didn't suit the tenor of his article, but Eddie Jones disagreed quite strongly with George Gregan re England's performance, wondering whether they'd been watching the same game. In fact, Zinzan could well have lifted a lot of what Eddie said to write his article.

That aside, it's a perfectly reasonable piece by Zinzan, save for his praise for Bracken's performance. I've seen a bit of Bracken and never been terribly impressed. I don't think Dawson's world class, but he's a lot better than Bracken. As I said, Bracken's major skill seems to be harassing opposing players. Fine, but when it comes to directing play, et al, which is his job, he's usually found severely wanting.

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Italy 19 -d- Canada 15!

Sono molto imbarazzato!

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This is exactly what I am thinking about this game and England, to the exception of his appreciation of Kyran Bracken but I suppose (hopefully for him) that he knows better than me.


No he doesn't!

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I actually agree with you on Bracken. He has received positive appraisal from several pundits that I found a bit OTT - including Zinzan. For me he doesn't marshall play as well as Dawson - nor does he snipe around the fringes the way Matt can.

Dawsons pretty good in that he is solid (doesn;t get pushed off the ball easily the way Bracken tends to be) and has quick hands - but his best is not Gregan's best for example - and (blatantly sucking up to the French lads here) nor is he as good as Galthie when the petit maestro is on song.

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Finally some time to post. I haven’t had a chance to read back, but the reason for my onslaught of ‘buggers’ after the NZ Canada game was this:

Yes, our style of playing an expansive game and scoring tries is working, but it’s overshadowed by the number of times we’ve conceded possession. 20 odd times against both Italy and Canada. Not acceptable lads!

Rustiness was the excuse, rustiness of our first choice players against Italy, and of our second choice players against Canada. But even so, we made far too many errors and threw away the ball at critical times, and we won’t get away with that in the quarters and semis! One thing’s for certain, after SA’s performance against England, we’ll have to make big adjustments if we want to beat SA in the (potential) quarterfinal.

And I thought it was a great performance by the Boks - they restored some pride to their rugby, but more importantly, they exposed the soft white underbelly of the English for all the world to see! Hit their forwards hard and fast with ferocious exchanges and maintain this intensity and you’ll achieve such things as rupturing their scrums, forcing errors, disrupting their patterns, and rattling their precious Jonny Wilkinson!

It was also apparent that England has not improved its back play to a level where they could match the All Blacks for attacking confidence and ability, particularly out wide.

However. If we are to beat them, our tight five will have to match the brutal effort of the Boks, and we are going to have to stop stupidly conceding possession. I pray Mitch takes the opportunity to address and put this into practice against Tonga and Wales. Do this and not only will we win plenty of ball, but we’ll keep it long enough for our backs to score tries.

 
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