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Patroklos
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Back home in good ole Norfolk VA
Dec 2001
time: 05:32
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Hey,
I used to live in Charleston, and just graduated from The Citadel, and we ridicule gays alot less than any civilian college. This is for may reasons, but primarily because we have learned to keep out mouths shut and simple do what do. The only problem I ever had with homosexuals in Chas was when on libery one afternoon in uniform, some demostators (we knew they were gay from their signs) at Marion square started throwing stuff at us, but some other gay memebers of the demostration yelled at them since we were just minding our own buisness. We don't mind them (demonstrators) much, as the same people march on everything, liberal or conservative.
Anyways, a rather large gay community, for South Carolina anyways, and I know of 2 gay bars downtown, a few more elsewhere.
Steriotypes suck, but I can understand the comment 
-Pat
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MrFun
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of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Patroklos
Hey,
I used to live in Charleston, and just graduated from The Citadel, and we ridicule gays alot less than any civilian college. This is for may reasons, but primarily because we have learned to keep out mouths shut and simple do what do. The only problem I ever had with homosexuals in Chas was when on libery one afternoon in uniform, some demostators (we knew they were gay from their signs) at Marion square started throwing stuff at us, but some other gay memebers of the demostration yelled at them since we were just minding our own buisness. We don't mind them (demonstrators) much, as the same people march on everything, liberal or conservative.
Anyways, a rather large gay community, for South Carolina anyways, and I know of 2 gay bars downtown, a few more elsewhere.
Steriotypes suck, but I can understand the comment
-Pat |
Again -- I live in Charleston, Illinois -- not THE Charleston.
So I am not that far from Ming's kingdom. 
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Dis
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Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Patroklos
Hey,
I used to live in Charleston, and just graduated from The Citadel, and we ridicule gays alot less than any civilian college. This is for may reasons, but primarily because we have learned to keep out mouths shut and simple do what do. The only problem I ever had with homosexuals in Chas was when on libery one afternoon in uniform, some demostators (we knew they were gay from their signs) at Marion square started throwing stuff at us, but some other gay memebers of the demostration yelled at them since we were just minding our own buisness. We don't mind them (demonstrators) much, as the same people march on everything, liberal or conservative.
Anyways, a rather large gay community, for South Carolina anyways, and I know of 2 gay bars downtown, a few more elsewhere.
Steriotypes suck, but I can understand the comment
-Pat |
I used to live in Charleston. Actually Goose Creek- as I went to the prototype school at the Naval Weapons Station.
I remeber we went into this one club downtown. I didn't realize that bar was off limits to navy personnel  . Only because thursdsay nights were gay night- we didn't go on a thursday though. Was it called the birdhouse? I can't remember.
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SpencerH
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Co-Ruler of my patch of land south of Birmingham Alabama
Feb 2002
time: 23:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Patroklos
Hey,
I used to live in Charleston, and just graduated from The Citadel, and we ridicule gays alot less than any civilian college. This is for may reasons, but primarily because we have learned to keep out mouths shut and simple do what do. The only problem I ever had with homosexuals in Chas was when on libery one afternoon in uniform, some demostators (we knew they were gay from their signs) at Marion square started throwing stuff at us, but some other gay memebers of the demostration yelled at them since we were just minding our own buisness. We don't mind them (demonstrators) much, as the same people march on everything, liberal or conservative.
Anyways, a rather large gay community, for South Carolina anyways, and I know of 2 gay bars downtown, a few more elsewhere.
Steriotypes suck, but I can understand the comment
-Pat |
Congrats, the citadel is a fine school. Hopefully though, those are all typos and not an indication of your spelling ability
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Tripledoc
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It is incredible how many people actually condone police violence.
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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:32
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quote:
Diagram it for me because you haven't made your point. The statement is ambiguous.
"my hasty emotional reaction"
was 2 things
1) the white cops were racist ;
2) they killed him for being a n*gger;
If you read it literally, it's unclear whether the author of the statement is using that "n" term as a personal judgement to refer to "him", the suspect, or whether the author means the cops view "him", the suspect, as a 'n*gger'. |
Quite clear to me, assumption #2 derives from assumption #1, i.e., in #2 MrFun adopts the mindset of the cops who are, according to assumption #1, racist. Therefore a black man to a white racist is a n*gger, not to the one making hasty assumptions about the incident.
I just saw the unedited tape on Greta's show - conclusion: I don't know that the cops used excessive force, if a big guy like that is resisting arrest and he clearly was, you damn well better make sure he's under control asap. What surprised me was after the cops finally handcuffed him somehow, no one knew or didn't apply CPR. Hell, I know CPR! At one point, after they noticed he wasn't breathing, one of the cops said the guy has a heartbeat.
Uh oh, that wasn't cardiac arrest folks. I'm not a doctor but I play one at Apolyton. That was a breathing problem like apnea. You can't pin the arms of a guy like that behind his back without increasing the risk of causing apnea, It's like death by crucifixion. And big people like that are very prone to apnea, it doesn't take much to trigger it. The cops just stood around as the guy died, no one applied CPR even after they saw he had stopped breathing. Correction, one of the cops did lean over him and start pushing up and down on his chest a few times. But that's what you do to keep the heart pumping blood, not to assist breathing. Obviously if he had a heartbeat, you don't need to manually pump blood, you need to breathe into his lungs.
Playing Brett Favre for a minute, once they noticed he stopped breathing they should have uncuffed him and applied CPR until the paramedics arrived. Oh well, the idiot shouldn't have picked a fight with cops. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happened before the tape started rolling, but I understand the cops were called after paramedics were called to aid the guy who supposedly had "narcolepsy" (chronic fatigue is a side-effect of apnea) and was unconscience or asleep lying on the grass. The guy woke up and the cops were called for some reason and a fight broke out. But from the tape it was clear the guy had a dislike for white people by the way he addressed the cop before taking a swing at him.
Last edited by Berzerker on 03-12-2003 at 14:40
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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:32
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MBomber, that sounds pretty severe. Please, lose weight! Even if you don't suffocate to death, apnea will cause all sorts of problems. And it doesn't take much weight loss to solve the problem. I got up to ~270 lbs and I would wake up in the middle of the night suffocating. I lost ~40 lb and the problem is gone. Smoking just makes it worse, but it's the weight that causes it. I did notice eating before going to sleep brought episodes on easier. And that's one scary feeling... I've heard of guys who've died in handcuffs because of apnea or related breathing problems resulting from the arms being pinned, and this sounds like what happened to this guy. Cops should know that.
Diss, that's a tough one. From what I could see and hear on the tape, the cops actions did result in the guy's death. Of course the guy would be alive had he just followed instructions instead of trying to punch the white boy, but the cops are responsible for the manner of restrainst they chose if that was the cause of death. At least they should be, I remember a few years back how a common tactic of choking suspects with the baton led to a number of deaths, including an elderly man the cops had mistaken for a criminal. The cop used the choke hold and the guy died...after several deaths the tactic was banned...
I don't know if cops (or the jurisdiction) can be sued when cops fail to administer CPR, I doubt it, even when they may have caused the need for CPR. But this was clearly negligent, they saw he wasn't breathing and all they did was start asking each other where the paramedics had gone. At least one cop made a half-assed attempt to help the guy so he wasn't completely oblivious to what had happened, but frankly, that was a pathetic scene. I'm really surprised these cops didn't receive CPR training, it sure looked like they were clueless.
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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:32
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Well, it was undoubtedly out of ignorance. But yes, the events following their discovery that the guy had stopped breathing were crucial. The coroner's report said the guy died because of the conflict but there were contributing factors - hypertension, drugs, and obesity. What does that mean? The exertion killed him and these other factors contibuted by increasing the energy he used during the fight? That IMO is a whitewash or ignorance...
Hypertension - is a direct cause of death when something like a vessel in the brain or the heart "literally" explodes because of high blood pressure and/or a weak vessel or something. But do people really stop breathing because of hypertension? Perhaps, but there are more obvious possibilities in this case...
Drugs - I don't know much about PCP or what levels they found, but cocaine has been linked in rare cases to cardiac arrest. But this guy's heart was not the cause of death, suffocation appears to be the cause. I believe PCP is a tranquilizer but you'd have to have a lot of it in you to cause the lungs to stop working (if that's even possible), and given the other circumstances, this guy was not exactly tranquil. His adrenalin certainly would have counter-acted any depressants in his system to some degree.
Obesity - again, not a direct cause of death unless it obstructs breathing similar to apnea. But this certainly appears to be the relevant contributing factor, i.e., indirect cause of death.
I'm sure a coroner can tell if someone died of suffocation and according to the police at the scene, the guy stopped breathing but his heart kept beating during that time. But apnea and similar effects are rather difficult to link to a cause of death because once bodily functions cease, the necks muscles relax so any blockage of the respiratory system can become unblocked on it's own. You can tell if someone suffocated, but the cause can be tougher to find when it's apnea...
For those who think it's absurd a city coroner would want to cover up a cause of death, apparently it's much more common than certainly I'd like to think. Our relative died in a hospital from an overdose administered by hospital staff. The coroner cleared the hospital of wrong doing, but the sister of the guy who died was a nurse and she read the report and the list of actions taken by the hospital, i.e., what drugs were administered and in what amounts. She saw one of the drugs administered, a powerful respiratory suppressor, was 10x the amount usually used. So she paid the ~$2,000 for an independent toxicology report and that showed the cause of death - the overdose. The ******* coroner was most likely
covering for the hospital, hell, she's a nurse and picked up on the clue just from reading the hospital's report. The coroner's toxicology report didn't show the overdose. I'm afraid these people rely on our ignorance and don't expect medical professionals to scrutinise their reports. Not all that surprising given coroners are employees of the city and cities have a vested interest in limiting civil damages from lawsuits. It's like the fox guarding the henhouse...
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Guynemer
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His lungs didn't stop operating. His airway was obstructed; it may have already been more constricted than usual due to his drug use. His lungs weren't the problem. The fact that he couldn't get oxygen to his lungs, or carbon dioxide out of them--that was the problem.
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02-12-2003 23:20
hey MrFun, now do you know what it feels like to have the PC police jump on your nutz? 
, but I am a small guy unfortunately. What I'm trying to say, even though this guy was a tub of lard, he was still very strong compared to the cop who was of average build at best. If he had got the cop in a head-lock the cop could have died.
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