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Toby Rowe
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London, UK
Feb 2001
time: 05:32
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Hi mate,
Dunno about the Airfix game they made regarding complexity- Airfix was a company that used to produce kits of aircraft, warships and later on soldiers- I grew up painting Royal Navy ships they depicted. My son would laugh, but that was exciting (buying a kit) back then!!
The beauty of Civ is an 8 year old could understand the game, whilst EU would be beyond them, yet EU might be the next game they want at 13, little steps instead of little head-butts on console.
Complexity of a game I feel is largely irrelevant from the age of 15, and the peak of IQ is likely reached whilst an 18-25 year old and studying, (If future work doesn't tax the brain) then.....- Mensa have a constant arguement about it- nature or nurture?
Ukranian Flag: I'd never fly it by my nickname, If I were able I'd put at half-mast at the bottom of a post, If needed, which it isn't.
Seems to me that as Putin wants a reincarnation of the Soviet Union by quelling all opposition by fair means or foul, the East of the Ukraine agree with him, for that is what they'll get- papers closed down and no freedom.
The west side is still majority Ukranian nationals, they look to the EU, if a schism (spelling?) happens, then good- It'll show Putin he has support only from Russians living in other lands like the Eastern part.
Putin has been quietly turning into a dictator without the US, UK and Germany saying a word- he 'aint there yet, but it's getting close.
Just my thoughts!
Toby
Ps, Any Germans on the board? You are the traditional link with Russia- How are papers reporting it in Germany?- I'd "give my right arm" to hear a German diplomats view on the current ex-Soviet Union under Putin, all ex- nations that escaped included.
Last edited by Toby Rowe on 04-12-2004 at 14:33
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Toby Rowe
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London, UK
Feb 2001
time: 05:32
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Vince mate,
you've utterly lost me?!!
I've been pissed off with the UK Government for most of the last 20 years, but I'll defend to death the choices my fellow countrymen made at the ballot box, even if my natural party of choice is now a dodgy one. (Labour)
Right now I'd rather fly the Swedish, Norwegian or Danish flags, and if the Tories ever get back into power, I'd rather leave- just like 6 of 8 national papers told me to do on voting day when Labour actually lost the election in 199 something, but were worried Labour might win. "The Sun", neutral as ever had a headline saying "If Labour wins, can the last person to leave Britain please remember to turn off the light" (big photo of a lightbulb)
(All 3 Nordic nations put the people before the ideaology- Unlike the UK parties, which gives a very balanced attitude in Government I feel)
Anyway, hope your just as lost now- only half of my previous post is displayed, confused me when I posted it as well, rant over.
Toby
PS: If anyone thinks Iraq was Oil, consider first the US, UK, Britain. Germany and France dealt with this man, for many years, the largest investors were France and then Russia- Germany only got Bronze for her Nuclear bunkers she was building in Iraq.
This man is on BBC records of killing at LEAST 300,000 of his own 24 million citizens. funny how the end of the cold war changed relationships between nations so much.
I supported the war as it might get rid of a dictator- that is all, and the Iraqi people deserve better just like any people do. The US first bombed all infrastructure, then wondered why people a week later were angry they had no water (Ever been thirsty for just 24 hours?)
This US planned (not UK planned) occupation will go down in history in Military Colleges as the best text book example of how to NOT do it.
Toby
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Toby Rowe
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London, UK
Feb 2001
time: 05:32
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One thing to has annoyed me Vince in the UK, is how can people be annoyed with Americans? No, you are annoyed with the Governemt of America, not Americans.
Yanks to this day remain one of the most open and friendly people I've ever met. I'd hate to be american right now- constantly blamed for something you never did anyway. (a shop-keeper from X state on holiday in Europe for example- what on earth does he have to do with US Goverment policy- He is just another voter like us in our "safe European homes" as the Clash said 20 years ago.
Toby
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Toby Rowe
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London, UK
Feb 2001
time: 05:32
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Hi all,
Sorry for my rant, very drunk and very late.
Very off topic.
I still think citizens of the US are slighted by the actions of the US Government when it has little to do with the average person- I'm really pissed off with the US refusal to sign the Kyoto agreement, but not with Americans.
Oerdin,
Thanks for the reply, but all Western nations knew exactly what the infrastructure in Iraq was- we'd built it.
The French and Germans knew most, as they continued to build military installations after the 1st War, whilst the UK and the US finally stopped selling the Arms to them in the war against Iran once the Cold War was over.
Oddly, along with Russia they are all owed the most amount of money from the former dictatorship that has offically murdered or killed at least 300.000 of his own people.......
I still maintain, the US are good at fighting, crap at winning a peace- and Iraq will go down down in History as the worst occupation ever- it was utterly unplanned by either Politicans or lying senior officers. (I heard that one US General saw the plan and told the White House that 125,000 soldiers would be needed- and promptly got moved elsewhere)
Now, about Civ 4 (sorry all!)
Toby
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SSBLoveU
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Too bad there is not an advance chemistry option where scientists can make elements, also, the Naval AI is very weak in CIV III.
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Toby Rowe
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London, UK
Feb 2001
time: 05:32
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Once again,
I appologise, I'll delete the utterly irrelevant posts, and concentrate on Civ 4- any news on that front?
Toby
Unfortunately, the site won't allow me to delete the two posts- can the moderator remove them please? They belong on the off-topic board at most.
Any synopsis on which direction Civ 4 is taking from you guys "in the know"?
We all know that graphics is given huge attention by the coders in games, little to the actual gaming- any news on that score? Hearing what direction the gaming is going in would please me and others greatly!!
Reading the post about the Naval aspect- building a submarine and knowing the AI see's it as a surface ship is funny- you just don't build them due to that bug- I think the release date was due before the submarine code was finished. I just watched an Indian Warship go around one of two strategically placed submarines guarding a strait!
I really want to see this cycle of "development and then war after the cavalry/tank" in Civ 4 re-evaluated, if wars must exist, which they must. Most nations wait until dragoons/cavalry are invented before starting one, yet the Greeks were happy to beat the hell out of each other, at a time that would be most unwelcome to players of Civ 2 or 3 as we are simply trying to forge a nation.
The AI does have the Mongols but it's basic AI: only build military units, never improvements to cities. If unlucky enough to be placed by them on the map, you will eventually win, more antagonistic nations, along with genuine friendly ones would be good.
I've spent the entire current game being friendly to India- a few hundred years now- complete trade links and Mutual defence- but they are annoyed now the aggressor to them (Persia) that attacked them has been banished by me, they are "annoyed".
AI diplomacy seriously needs improvement. Amongst older people in the UK, stating "my word is my bond" actually means something, just like signing a letter "yours sincerely" which apparently means "without a wax seal: but trust my letter anyway" in latin.
(I got attacked by the Indians, so had to reload and give them incense as a gift- just to avoid the attack by them- some friend.
I like to see all technologies researched before you can move into the different periods, along with being able to actually leap ahead on tech research- all three versions simply tag your progress and the AI adjusts the tech of the others- that simply isn't an incentive to throw all money into that (science) field- difficulty levels can achieve that effect.
I play on "Regent" level by default, but having a war with a nation as they have a "wonder" you really want (Pymanids etc). is also unrealistic for a peaceful game (I've played only a few to end due to war-like AI) How about upping the cost of all wonders, but allowing all nations to build the wonder?- less competition on them. At the moment I feel I've failed if the AI builds more than two of them.
Personally, I'd like Wonders scrapped, a much more level playing field that way, but only commiserate with a decent AI in diplomacy. How many people really warred with Egypt as it gave you a free granary in your own cities?
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SSBLoveU
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quote:
Originally posted by Toby Rowe
Reading the post about the Naval aspect- building a submarine and knowing the AI see's it as a surface ship is funny- you just don't build them due to that bug- I think the release date was due before the submarine code was finished. I just watched an Indian Warship go around one of two strategically placed submarines guarding a strait!
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I use nuclear submarines to attack transports and to protect other naval ships. The problem is that they do not have torpedoes. The torpedoes ought to improve with technology. The "Ben Hur" tactics of ramming is nothing more than using a submarine as a torpedo. Also, the lack of tunnels and caves make me imagine that all battles are fought on a field. The space race ends too early. Satellites must be launched into orbit, and people ought to be able to build on the moon and Mars.
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Vince278
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quote:
Originally posted by Rasputin
lets hope that the designers have some common sense |
and listen to us.
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Max Sinister
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Sure, but why two icons? Just make an animation from it.
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techtedg
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does anyone actually have any idea how long it will be until we can see IV in the stores?
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bayraven
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i axed apolyton through 'contact us' a few weeks ago if i might get c4 for Christmas. they responded "Closer to next Christmas"
Is there a thread that lists things KNOWN to be in c4?
and while i'm at it, are any of the names i see posting here actually c4 designers?
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04-12-2004 14:16
time to break out.
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