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MrFun
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Nov 2000
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
In the last month I've read, Bushwhacked, Big Lies: The Right-Wing Propaganda Machine and How It Distorts the Truth, and Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them. Now I'm reading The Great Unraveling. I'm surper pissed about the whackjobs who've taken control of the Repugnent Party and the Dumbocrats who have refused to stand up to them. |
Look, I find myself very upset too with the status quo in United States at times, so I can understand where you're coming from.
However, in regards to your opinions about DEMOcrats and the related issue with my thread about DEMOcrats, you seem to refuse to try to understand where I'm coming from.
I am disappointed with what I perceive as villification by some of the Democratic candidates about Bush's policies in Iraq. Yes, Bush invaded Iraq for the wrong reasons -- so let's criticize him there, not on goals that his administration would have a good chance at succeeding in.
For instance, the Democrats sure looked dumb on the day Saddam was captured, because, as was discussed briefly during one CNN report, some of those Democrats (Dean included) had criticized Bush in the past for not having accomplished that goal. Way to go in setting ourselves up in a position to have to do an about-face.
Criticizing the Bush administration for incompetent mistakes, and outright deceivements is the smart way -- villifying the Bush administration too much on one single issue is the dumb way.
We Democrats need to stand up to the Bush administration on a multitude of issues, and stop setting ourselves up in positions where we might have to do an about-face or back-pedaling in the immediate future.
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Patroklos
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Back home in good ole Norfolk VA
Dec 2001
time: 05:32
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I have a picture of a confederat flag, half furled, with the caption "twill live in song and story, though its folds are in the dust." That is how most Southerners feel about the flag. It is a symbol of the South and its culture, both past and present. That culture has alot if bad things in it, but more good. People who attack the flag do so, as stated above, becasue they then don't have to face the problems where they are since they can just transplant them to us Southerners. I remember the whole SC capital flag thing, and it was absolutley pathetic. A group of people, both black and white, rallying around something tangible becasue it was eaiser than accepting that the true flaws causing them so many problems was within their own social groups, and they had nobody to blame except themselves. It matters not if that flag should have been there. They could have picked anything, but the flag was easier for ignorant people to identify.
Europeans should understand this more than anyone, god knows how many flags and banners are everywhere for political entities that no longer exist, but for which the people of certain regions still have pride for.
But, to make a point, flags with a longer history of slavery than the Confederate battle flag: USA, France, Italy, Spain, England, Netherlands, Belgium, China, Japan, India, etc....
-PAt
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:32
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Originally posted by Ned
I see a lot of black people in the Republican leadership, Che. Republicans have gone out of their way to appoint blacks to positions of serious responsibility - a lot more so than any Democrat regime in history. |
I see a handful, Ned. Furthermore, with the exception of Powell and Rice, most of them are actualy treated as tokens by the Repug party, pulled in for photo ops and then ignored and excluded most of the rest of the time. Even then, Powell and Rice are ignored when it comes to race politics. I am reminded of the time that the White House lied about Connie Rice being opposed to Affirmative Action in education, where upon she herself released a statement saying she supported taking race into consideration in academic access.
Powell, however muchhe may be admired by America, is treated like a red-headed step-child by the Repug party, and for the life of me, I can't see why he doesn't resign (probably because he doesn't want to risk letting the neo-cons have total control).
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:32
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Originally posted by Patroklos
You know, most of the southerners I know, black and white, |
If your part of the South is anything like my part of the South, then either you are lying outright or you are just plain clueless. Most people are incapable of seeing their own racism and the racism in the culture they grew up in. Th North's racism is very diferent from the South's, but they both have it. In the North it is vicious knife fight and in your face. In the South, it is a veiled threat, always lurking just out of sight, and coming down like a club and then covered up again.
There are still lynchings here. Black folks are still deferential here, and out of contact with whites, are a lot madder than Black folks in the North. White folks down here are a lot more imperious when it comes to Black people. It took a while to see it, because there's also a lot more race mixing down here, including inter-racial relationships. However, this last bit may be because Jacksonville is a huge military town, and the military is the most integrated part of American society.
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