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Richmond, VA
Jan 1970
time: 00:32
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Originally posted by Patroklos
Che, that may be your opinion, but Jacksonville, or Florida period, is hardly a litmus for the rest of the South. I have lived in four southern states (Virginia, Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida) and my family is from the North. I myself was born in RI. I have more than enough perspective in the matter, at least more than you.
The statement that there are still lynchings is a little unfare. I can't help it if a single white person decided to brutally kill a black man with his pickup truck. However, I bet you bottom dollar racial violance is worse in the North and West than it is here, and it has been that way for a very long time.
Racial disparity has no benifit for the majority population. However, it is a very useful to hide behind if your a minority. Does racism exist, sure it does. Is it anywhere near as epedemic as reactionaries and cause nazis maintain. Nowehere near. And of the racism that does exist, it mostly originates in the minorities. Racism is not just hating or loving something becasue of racial bias, it is thinking in racial terms period. And unfortunetly racial thinking is at the forefront of most minority initiatives.
For the record, white people very rarely discuss how we can oppresse the coloreds anymore. It think It has been at least three days sense my last KKK rally, man I am slacking. But you know, I realized that spending 23 hours of my day sneering at minorities on the corner was really a waste of my time. I really don't know how white America accomplished anything in the last 140 years since the Civil War with our intense hatred schedule. It must be due to our racial superiority (I hope they don't find out I'm an Irish Catholic!).
I just thought I would let you all know how the Southern white males think. Amazingly it is exactly what you imagined 
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There is a lot more racism and violent racism by blacks against whites than the reverse. And they feel justified in it from the "payback" mentality. Look at the OJ trial.
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Patroklos
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Back home in good ole Norfolk VA
Dec 2001
time: 05:32
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Not so,
merely that people struggling to fing anything, ANYTHING, to blame for their problems but themselves have nothing better to to by make up numbers.
Look at you two, not even entertaining the thought of adding any other variable to your racist stances. How about class, how about culture, how about linguistic differnaces. Don't give you the results you want though so we skip those.
So many black people have abandoned the weight of self pity and made things of themselves, it is called taking responsibility for your state and problems, regardless of where they come from, and driving on. Not that I understand why they try becasue once they break out from the pathetic "racist" fixation, well then your an Uncle Tom.
-Pat
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MrFun
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of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:32
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Originally posted by Patroklos
You lost cause theory is a circular arguement. If they are not racist and white, then they are part of it. If they are racist and white they are part of it. They are a part of it if know it, they are if they don't. If they choose not to be a part of it, they are still included. So just how do you get out of it Mr Fun, becasue me obviousy denying it just means I am ignorant of my inclusion.
-Pat |
Ok, let me clarify so even you can understand.
Whenever the issue of slavery came up in antebellum America, white Southern leaders who supported slavery or were slaveowners themselves would counter that the federal government had no business in interfering with their plantation system, through the ideology of states rights. States rights were used quite often to argue for defense of slavery and white supremacist ideology.
During and after Reconstruction, the "Lost Cause" mythology sought to emphasize the so-called horrors of Reconstruction by claiming that the federal government imposed bayonet rule over the individual states.
However, along with that part of the "Lost Cause" mythology, is the other component that supports white supremacy. Read "Lost Cause" literature written by white Southerners in the late nineteenth century and early twentieth century -- you will not have difficulty in finding explicit claims of racial superiority of whites when they were advocating the "Lost Cause" ideology.
Today, many white Southerners who support the "Lost Cause" mythology may not be explicitly racist, but they simply picked and chose part of the "Lost Cause" ideology that appeals to their sensational, emotional, romantic views of the Civil War and Reconstruction -- which is states' rights.
But by doing that, they are being willfully, or undeliberately ignorant about the other fundamental component of the "Lost Cause" mythology, which is white supremacy.
And because many white Northerners sought to reconcile with white Southerners, they "reunited" through the fraternal spirit of white supremacy. In this aspect at least, the North won the war, but the South won the peace.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:32
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Originally posted by Patroklos
Not so,
merely that people struggling to fing anything, ANYTHING, to blame for their problems but themselves have nothing better to to by make up numbers. |
Follow the links I provided-yeah, those people just made those numbers up!
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Look at you two, not even entertaining the thought of adding any other variable to your racist stances. How about class, how about culture, how about linguistic differnaces. Don't give you the results you want though so we skip those. |
Those studies did take all other factors into account-they found race still was the independent variable that mattered. Of course, there is also a deep correlation between race and class in this country, which only ADDS to the racial divide.
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So many black people have abandoned the weight of self pity and made things of themselves, it is called taking responsibility for your state and problems, regardless of where they come from, and driving on. Not that I understand why they try becasue once they break out from the pathetic "racist" fixation, well then your an Uncle Tom.
-Pat |
I don;t even know which smiley to use for this one. Many very succesful blakc sgot there while acknowledging the existance of, and fighting against racism.
It is up to you to offer one, single, solitary, miniscule study done that backs up anythign you say: just one.
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:32
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Originally posted by Patroklos
Who the hell are you Che, other than some bum stuck to your comp in Jack and then thinking you have any more perspective on anything than anyone else here.
-Pat |
On racism, I clearly have more perspective than you. A) I worked for anti-racist groups for over a decade, B) a majority of my family is Black, and I can see how they are treated differently, C) I lived in a neighborhood where Black people were shot at and firebombed by white racists, D) I lived in a Black neighborhood where the cops would randomly harrass everyone but me (being the only white person, E) I notice how I get treated differently when I'm alone or with Black or Hispanic folks, F) I watch my friends get followed in stores, G) I listen to people tell me about crap that happens to them.
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:32
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Originally posted by Patroklos
Well, I suppose I could specifically mention everything, since abstracts like "variables" are beyond you. |
The intersection of class and race isn't as easy an excuse for you as you'd like to believe. While it's true, that Black people are more likely to be in the lower class than whites, and less likely to be in the upper class than whites, even within classes, there is a major difference between how people are treated. There is a reason why there is such a phenomenon as "middle class Black rage."
Why are successful Black people so angry about racism, if it's just an issue of culture or class? After all, they're successful. But when Oprah Winfy is denied access to a private boutique she saw a white women enter ten minutes before, I don't think the major issue is class. Class is not an alternative to race oppression, it is in addition to race oppression.
But like I previously wrote, it's really pointless to try and debate you, because you're willfully ignorant.
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