17-12-2003 09:30									#31
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You mean killing as in getting into the spirit of the holidays??

	17-12-2003 09:35									#32
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quote: You mean killing as in getting into the spirit of the holidays??

No. Easter is the holiday about killing, not Christmas.

	17-12-2003 09:36									#33
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You never heard of the time when one of the elves went beserk, took out an uzi, and killed all the other elves???

	17-12-2003 10:07									#34
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National Lampoon once had a great article on: "Ten Ways to Tell a Kid That His Parents are Dead". One of the ways was to dress up as Santa, show up on Christams morning with social woprkers in tow (to take the tykes to the orphanage) and then explain: "Well, you see Timmy, some of the elves had a little too much to drink on Christmas Eve, and they got a little rowdy. One thing led to another and things soon got out of hand. At that point it was a lot like a scene from A Clockwork Orange ......"

	17-12-2003 10:10									#35
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I don't mind Afro-American, but I do have a problem with Native American because it lumps together Charleton Heston with Pocahontas, and that's just plain wrong. I'd like to see the term "Amerind" become popular.

	17-12-2003 10:14									#36
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JW:

quote: I hate the term "African American."

how about nigger? is that what you would prefer to call them?

	17-12-2003 10:24									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior I hate the term "African American." Firstly, it is factually incorrect. It was coined to describe black people. However, it uses continent of origin to describe race. If you went to South Africa, would you say that the country has some white people and some African Americans? Clearly not, because many of them have never been to America, and certainly aren't American. So would you say that the country has some white people and some Africans? No, because the white people are African as well. And what about a black person who immigrated from the Caribbean? Would he be African American? Secondly, it is a seven syllable description when one syllable could suffice. Thirdly, it reeks of political correctness. Lastly, using it implies that the adjective "black" is offensive and must be replaced by the tamer "African-American." Nobody ever hesitates to say someone is white. Why is the word "black" any different?

1. African American is a term used to describe black people in America. Your South Africa argument means nothing. Also, FYI: Those black people in the Carribean? Guess where they came from...

2. Word Nazi!

3. I disagree that this automatically makes it a bad thing.

4. Things are trending towards more acceptance of the word "black", again, so I don't think you have anything to worry about.

	17-12-2003 10:25									#38
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As for Native Americans, I call them either:

(A) Natives
(B) First Nations

Natives. 2 syllables. Nothing wrong with that, right?

And if you have a problem with saying their native (since they came over the land bridge and all that), why not "Aboriginal"?

	17-12-2003 10:29									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer how about nigger? is that what you would prefer to call them?

I've been Speer-less for far too long.

	17-12-2003 11:34									#40
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quote: how about nigger? is that what you would prefer to call them?

Yeah, actually I would, but then wanna-bes like yourself get all pissy.

Moron.

	17-12-2003 11:50									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer JW: how about nigger? is that what you would prefer to call them?

Well trolled, I must say.

	17-12-2003 11:52									#42
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That was pretty good, wasn't it, JW?

	17-12-2003 11:53									#43
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I had to complement him on his troll because I didn't have a clue how to respond to that without either stating the obvious or countertrolling.

	17-12-2003 12:03									#44
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It seems others went for countertrolling. Shame more didn't go for obvious. Nice to have a mix .

	17-12-2003 12:04									#45
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No offense to Speer, but I prefer a bit more subtlety in my trolling.

	17-12-2003 12:06									#46
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He isn't as skilled as others, sure, but a good try.

	17-12-2003 12:09									#47
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Oh, I give him an "A" for effort. Dropping "nigger" like that really shows that you are going for broke.

	17-12-2003 12:23									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Oh, I give him an "A" for effort. Dropping "nigger" like that really shows that you are going for broke.

I don't get why some here are fond of "Amerind" or "Amerindian". Sure, it looks nice on paper. But when you try to pronounce it, it sounds like crap. "Native-American" for me.

	17-12-2003 12:43									#49
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This thread reminded me of something I heard on the TV show "Roc" about ten years or so ago. My recollection may not be precise but in one episode one of the kids said something about being an African-American. The grandfather responded angrily with the following:
"Son, let me tell you something. When I was born I was called a Negro. Growing up as a young man about your age I suddenly became Coloured. Then as I got older I woke up one day and found out I was Black. So you will have to excuse me if it takes me awhile to get used to being called African-American!"

Personally, I have a problem with the phrase "(fill in the blank)-American". I think the only word that matters is "American". We are all Americans (or at least those of you from the U.S. who are reading this) and that is the only thing that matters. Filling in that blank above is divisive.

Also, the phrase itself borders on being non-sensical. Do we call people of Italian (for example) descent European-Americans?

	17-12-2003 13:57									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior I hate the term "African American." Firstly, it is factually incorrect. It was coined to describe black people. However, it uses continent of origin to describe race. If you went to South Africa, would you say that the country has some white people and some African Americans? Clearly not, because many of them have never been to America, and certainly aren't American. So would you say that the country has some white people and some Africans? No, because the white people are African as well. And what about a black person who immigrated from the Caribbean? Would he be African American?

Man, you really don't get it, do you.

A black American is an African-American because they are Americans whose ancestors were from Africa.

Obviously a South African would not be an African-American because they are not American.

If this is too complicated, just let us know.

quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior Secondly, it is a seven syllable description when one syllable could suffice.

Yeah, jaguar warrior is a pain to say, so I prefer to use a one syllable word to descrive you: Thick.

quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior Thirdly, it reeks of political correctness.

No, your comment reeks of ignorance.

The reason people started using African-American is because they wanted a term that was more accurate and that reflected their pride in being American. The term "black" refers to anyone in the world with black or kind of black skin.

For the same reason, Italian-Americans use this term, instead of calling themselves Italian. But I suppose you think Italian-American is just a politcally correct name.

	17-12-2003 14:35									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Obviously a South African would not be an African-American because they are not American.

I went to highschool in 1979 with what you would call a South African-American. He used the American phrase at the time to describe himself, not the South African phrase.
(You'll notice I didn't mention his race. The important thing here is that he was an American )

	17-12-2003 14:43									#52
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Can't you call them Red Indians?

	17-12-2003 15:04									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai For the same reason, Italian-Americans use this term, instead of calling themselves Italian. But I suppose you think Italian-American is just a politcally correct name.

I've never heard an "Italian American" use the term except in a rare case where he needed to differentiate between an American of Italian ancestry and a guy from Italy. They call themselves Italian, and rightfully assume that everyone already knows that they are Americans. These terms are for school officials and reporters to worry about, and for the race baiting industry officials to ruthlessly carp about. No one else gives a damn.

Oh, and I've never met an (American) Indian who called himself anything but.

	17-12-2003 15:10									#54
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Re African Americans: If I talk about properties of their skin (like being more resistant to sun radiation etc), I will call them black people. If I talk about their heritage, I will call them people of African descent (or Pacific, or whatever). If I talk about what they are now, I will call them Americans.

	17-12-2003 16:18									#55
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"Coloureds"

	17-12-2003 16:34									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph If I talk about what they are now, I will call them Americans.

	17-12-2003 16:59									#57
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I recommend this classic cult movie as the way to cure you guys of your annoying political correctness.

	17-12-2003 17:28									#58
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I use "people".

	17-12-2003 17:30									#59
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What if you want to identify someone to point out to a friend, though Mike? "oh, it's that person over there...no, not that one, that one".

You need to have some way of describing.

	17-12-2003 17:31									#60
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Btw, I agree with the sentiment you are trying to express though.