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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Just because you *sshole-Americans Is that what you refer to the British now?

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Hispanics are as united as Asian-Americans.

All these groups do have some things in common, but different national groups all have distinct tastes, not only in vocabulary, music, and food, but in history. In fact, there is a lot of internal disagreement among hispanics. NOw, the problem with the term "Asian" American si that Asia happens to encompass 1/2 of humanity and a very large chunck of the earths landmass, so people from asia are bound to vary a bit, you know, a Turk from a Tamil from a Tagalog to a Korean.

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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed the problem with calling asian americans asian americans is that unlike a lot of other ethnic groups, we're not monolithic. we've a fragmented culture. japanese americans have no need to feel too strongly about tiananmen. korean americans have no need to be proud of the samurai tradition. chinese americans have no need to parade korea's making the first metal movable type. none of them need to be proud of the kama sutra. in contrast, a lot of the other minority groups, such as the latinos, have a much strong bond with each other. take an argentinan and venuzeulan, and after you get past the dialectical differences (and the general distaste of argentina), you find they have a lot of common ground. when you set three cjks together, what language do they talk in? english.

I dont think so. You are right about latinos in general being closer than any two different asian, but you make it out as if theres absolutely no bond between two asians when compared to say asian guy and a white person.

Look at most of the asian kids in college (especially FOBs) Theyre alot close to other asians than anyone else (in general).

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quote: This is not actually true. Cubans, Mexicans, and Puerto Ricans (who are the three largest groups of Hispanics in the US.) all have very different concerns and cultures. About the only thing they have in common is that they're all Latinos. I've lived in a Mexican neighborhood and a Cuban neighborhood, and it's really quite different (can't find a decent taco anywhere in the latter)

still more common ground than asians have. at least the language is the same. you print one brochure in spanish, you can pretty much reach all literate latinos.
try to print one for asians, you have to:
1. japanese kana/kanji
2. korean hangul
3. simplified chinese
4. traditional chinese
5. bengali
6. thai
7. tamil
8-x. a bunch more that i don't want to bother listing.

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"n : an ethnic quality or affiliation resulting from racial or cultural ties; "ethnicity has a strong influence on community status relations"

American Culture translates to American Ethnicity... Go talk to a F.O.B., someone whos been here for 10 years, and someone who was raised here... Tell me if you see a difference. I guess I don't see how "blood" corresponds to ethnic characteristics. I do see how it can, and in most cases does, but I don't think it's a necessity. French are of mixed blood, Brits are of mixed blood, Germans, Russians, even Chinese... America is young, yes, and culturally diversed, but that is what the ethnicity of America is; a blend.

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Some of us prefer our salad tossed, and not pureed, Japher.

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quote: Originally posted by Japher "n : an ethnic quality or affiliation resulting from racial or cultural ties; "ethnicity has a strong influence on community status relations" American Culture translates to American Ethnicity... Go talk to a F.O.B., someone whos been here for 10 years, and someone who was raised here... Tell me if you see a difference. I guess I don't see how "blood" corresponds to ethnic characteristics. I do see how it can, and in most cases does, but I don't think it's a necessity. French are of mixed blood, Brits are of mixed blood, Germans, Russians, even Chinese... America is young, yes, and culturally diversed, but that is what the ethnicity of America is; a blend.

good interesting point. I too think ethnicity is not related with blood. However in certain circumstances we have become stereotyped to relate ethnicity with blood because cultures for most part do not mix with other cultures. So blood happens to be an easy way to determine ethnicity....

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quote: I dont think so. You are right about latinos in general being closer than any two different asian, but you make it out as if theres absolutely no bond between two asians when compared to say asian guy and a white person.

that's not what i'm saying. after all, if that were the case, you'd never even have a coherent asian american civil liberties movement (as underpowered as it is). what i am saying is that even though there is a lot of dissention in latino groups (which i was unaware of--i stand corrected), they're still a lot more united than asian american groups.
when chinese american vincent chin was beaten to death by blue-collar white trash who lost their auto jobs because they thought he was japanese, that was probably one of the first times asian americans actually became a cohesive group that protested against the excruciatingly light sentence those two men got off with.
since then, it's a lot better than in the past: during the 40's, chinese americans were happy they were finally the "good asians" as opposed to the "bad asians" (the japanese).

quote: Look at most of the asian kids in college (especially FOBs) Theyre alot close to other asians than anyone else (in general).

i don't know how it is with latinos, but there's also a disconnect there. often times fobs and natives don't quite mix too well. like, they'll be part of the same groups, but their closest friends won't be from the other half.

perhaps i'm looking at it from a rather americanized point of view: i'm willing to admit that i'm probably one of the more americanized asian americans.

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quote: America is young, yes, and culturally diversed, but that is what the ethnicity of America is; a blend.

sadly, this does not work- the blood part of ethnicity always comes out strongest. Notice how you never see someone in germany say "I am Bavarian-German", or I am "Saxon-German", nor do you see people call themselves "Scottish-British", or "Alsace-French"..the ones that do hyphen themselves happen to be more recent immigrants like Turks, Arabs, or Pakistanis.

The only American group without a hyphen are English-Americans.

Now, if someone wants to argue against all hyphens, fine with me, but just against "African" because of something as stupid as "hey, look, a Africaners can say he is from African too!" is annoying.

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Ethnicity tends to be related to blood, but when I adopt two little Chinese babies, they will be raised as Irish-Italian-African-Chinese-Americans. They'll have some of me, some of mom, and some of their birth parents cultures to draw from. I guess we could call them Tiger Woods-Americans.

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"Some of us prefer our salad tossed, and not pureed, Japher."



Oh, no, too many insults... Does Bunnygirl know?

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quote: Originally posted by Japher "Some of us prefer our salad tossed, and not pureed, Japher."

quote: Oh, no, too many insults... Does Bunnygirl know?

It's her idea.

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what was the term tiger used?

cablinasian?

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quote: Originally posted by GePap quote: America is young, yes, and culturally diversed, but that is what the ethnicity of America is; a blend. The only American group without a hyphen are English-Americans.

Maybe cause the group doesnt want to be hyphenated?

im not gonna flame a brit who wants to be called english-american..... if he wants to be hyphenated

Like i said. if you want to be hyphenated good who cares
If you want to abandaon it good who cares

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America is a blend? However a White/Hispanic blend is Hispanic, a White/Asian blend is Asian, a Black/White blend is Black.

This is idiotic since it would suggest that the White race is weak. Granted brown eyes dominate over blue eyes. However does that mean that White culture is threatened? Why is not so that the Asians, Hispanics (which are basicly Maya/Aztec) and Blacks are becoming whitened?

I fear that this is the usual discourse manipulation. In reality the native cultures are being Judaic Anglo-Saxonized. However in order for that process to be carried trough it must seem that it is in fact the White race that is being 'corrupted'. After all the best form of defence is the attack, and this allows for at the same time an economic exploitation in concert with a strategy of eventual racial domination.

Because what will eventually happen is that White culture, given thier dominance of the corporate culture will eventually seek to be dominant.

Of course any competing culture will have to squashed, and that has so far proven extremely difficult.

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No, the reason English-Americans aren't hyphenated is because they are "true" Americans. Everyone is just a foreigner or decended from a foreigner or a dirty savage. It is their country. They own the economy, the land, and the government. There is, however, a special name for them, WASPs.

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quote: Originally posted by Tripledoc America is a blend? However a White/Hispanic blend is Hispanic, a White/Asian blend is Asian, a Black/White blend is Black. This is idiotic since it would suggest that the White race is weak. Granted brown eyes dominate over blue eyes. However does that mean that White culture is threatened? Why is not so that the Asians, Hispanics (which are basicly Maya/Aztec) and Blacks are becoming whitened? I fear that this is the usual discourse manipulation. In reality the native cultures are being Judaic Anglo-Saxonized. However in order for that process to be carried trough it must seem that it is in fact the White race that is being 'corrupted'. After all the best form of defence is the attack, and this allows for at the same time an economic exploitation in concert with a strategy of eventual racial domination. Because what will eventually happen is that White culture, given thier dominance of the corporate culture will eventually seek to be dominant. Of course any competing culture will have to squashed, and that has so far proven extremely difficult.

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quote: Originally posted by Zero Like i said. if you want to be hyphenated good who cares If you want to abandaon it good who cares

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quote: Like i said. if you want to be hyphenated good who cares If you want to abandaon it good who cares

I have no idea what that means...:confussed:

The point is that in America 'everyone' wants to be "separate yet equal", when the hard fact is that they are Americans... nothing more or less.

So, they beitch and moan about how they are being treated poorly because of their race, yet instead of adopting or assimulating American ways they want to be Whatever-American so that they now are no longer the same, but different. Living in a society requires compromise, and by calling yourself Whatever-American you hold not intention of doing such.

While it does represent a pride of ones heritage, and one should have that, it represents just as much their desire not to want to be a part of this society by incorporating their place of origion, or the origion of their ancestors.

IMO, your with us or agaist us. Your American or your African, your Hispanic or your American. You can't have your cake and eat it too, at least not as you want the state to recognize you...

Bring your culture, bring your ethnicity, leave your nationalism at the door.

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See, a perfect example of trying to tell others what to do and how to be. "Real" Americans are just like Jpaher. Which is why different groups needed to remind them that, just because we're Italian, and you won't let us live in the suburbs with you, doesn't mean we aren't Americans. We won our fight. We're included. We're happy with who we are, and if you don't like it, you can go suck on a piece of Wonderbread.

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quote: America is a blend? However a White/Hispanic blend is Hispanic, a White/Asian blend is Asian, a Black/White blend is Black. This is idiotic since it would suggest that the White race is weak. Granted brown eyes dominate over blue eyes. However does that mean that White culture is threatened? Why is not so that the Asians, Hispanics (which are basicly Maya/Aztec) and Blacks are becoming whitened? I fear that this is the usual discourse manipulation. In reality the native cultures are being Judaic Anglo-Saxonized. However in order for that process to be carried trough it must seem that it is in fact the White race that is being 'corrupted'. After all the best form of defence is the attack, and this allows for at the same time an economic exploitation in concert with a strategy of eventual racial domination. Because what will eventually happen is that White culture, given thier dominance of the corporate culture will eventually seek to be dominant. Of course any competing culture will have to squashed, and that has so far proven extremely difficult.

Ah, the grandwizard has spoken!!!

It is not white, black, brown, yellow, green culture... It is American culture! People of all color and all ethnicities helped build this country and define it's culture. What you believe to be white dominant culture that is being threatened is a actually a national culture developed by all races and nationalities stemming from our contry was young.

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Why do we have to be just like you to be real Americans?

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quote: Originally posted by Japher I have no idea what that means...:confussed: The point is that in America 'everyone' wants to be "separate yet equal", when the hard fact is that they are Americans... nothing more or less. So, they beitch and moan about how they are being treated poorly because of their race, yet instead of adopting or assimulating American ways they want to be Whatever-American so that they now are no longer the same, but different. Living in a society requires compromise, and by calling yourself Whatever-American you hold not intention of doing such. While it does represent a pride of ones heritage, and one should have that, it represents just as much their desire not to want to be a part of this society by incorporating their place of origion, or the origion of their ancestors. IMO, your with us or agaist us. Your American or your African, your Hispanic or your American. You can't have your cake and eat it too, at least not as you want the state to recognize you... Bring your culture, bring your ethnicity, leave your nationalism at the door.

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quote: While it does represent a pride of ones heritage, and one should have that, it represents just as much their desire not to want to be a part of this society by incorporating their place of origion, or the origion of their ancestors. IMO, your with us or agaist us. Your American or your African, your Hispanic or your American. You can't have your cake and eat it too, at least not as you want the state to recognize you... Bring your culture, bring your ethnicity, leave your nationalism at the door.

i don't go this far.

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Next thing you know, he's gonna be telling us how to dress, what to eat, what we can name our children, what kind of music we can hear, which holidays to celebrate, what religion to be, what thoughts we can have, and whether or not we need to visit the special camps.

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quote: Originally posted by Japher It is not white, black, brown, yellow, green culture... It is American culture! People of all color and all ethnicities helped build this country and define it's culture. What you believe to be white dominant culture that is being threatened is a actually a national culture developed by all races and nationalities stemming from our contry was young.

Pay attention. I was not saying that White culture is being threatend. I laid down the argument that White culture is threatening other races by their miscegenation.

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quote: Originally posted by Japher Bring your culture, bring your ethnicity, leave your nationalism at the door.

Down with thought control!

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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I don't get why some here are fond of "Amerind" or "Amerindian". Sure, it looks nice on paper. But when you try to pronounce it, it sounds like crap. "Native-American" for me.

Yes, but then you can't distinguish them from Canadian-Americans like Charleton Heston, who also insist on being referred to as 'Native American". I don't want to anger anyone who is likely to come to the ER armed.

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DrS makes a strong argument.

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quote: Pay attention. I was not saying that White culture is being threatend. I laid down the argument that White culture is threatening other races by their miscegenation.

Sorry, must of misread.

To Che:

IMO, you do have to be like me in as much that you have to have the same culture, I already defined the diverse cultures as being the attributing factors behind what is American culture. What I mean by assimilating is that you have to put up with there being other cultures, and unlike you those cultures have different pactrices and that they must be respected as much as they need to respect yours... This is rarely the case.

Also, it has been my experience, that many foreign nationals, and even some 2nd, 3rd generation immigrants are the most racist people of all, like Q^3’s inherent anger towards Japanese. I also find Chinese to be the most racist towards white people; Arabs vs. Jews, and Mexican’s just hate everyone. They bring in hatred perpetuated by national ties, which no longer should exist once they step foot in our country.

quote: Bring your culture, bring your ethnicity, leave your nationalism at the door.

Q^3, you say you don't go that far?

I live in a predominantly Asian neighborhood. Actually, they are mostly Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean and Thai... Most have excaped from communist dictatorships, honestly, I don't want them bring that into my neighborhood. Most don't, but I have met some who have.

Also, I feel if you want to be American for the jobs (right), security, quality of life, etc... then you respect America for that and don't suckle our teet while cursing us.