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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
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We should have a faster way of saying it than Native-American, though. |
reds.
'cept that has a commie connotation.
savages.
but that perpetuates the white man's burden bullshit.
kemosabe.
except, didn't that refer to a white dude?
tonto.
could work, but i'm sure there's more variety in names.
you could always make the difference by calling them woo-woo injuns and dot injuns.
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Obviously a South African would not be an African-American because they are not American. |
that answer is a bit disingenuous.
doesn't dave matthews make his home here? isn't he a south african-american? an african-american?
we have a priest here by the name of fr. sullivan. his ancestry's irish, but he's from zimbabwe, and has had three generations of his family born there. he's now here in atlanta as an immigrant. is he not african american, even if he is pasty white?
what's wrong with the term black?
or strongly pigmented american?
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Personally, I have a problem with the phrase "(fill in the blank)-American". I think the only word that matters is "American". We are all Americans (or at least those of you from the U.S. who are reading this) and that is the only thing that matters. Filling in that blank above is divisive. |
i tend to agree... however, you run can into thorny troubles with that, particularly if you're looking from a different slope like me. (badump bump tshh!)
if you look foreign, people are going to attach just the (fill in the blank) part without adding the american part. when describing people of our slanted nature, we're almost always described first as asians, then as americans.
i agree that we're all americans. that doesn't mean that such x-american terms don't have their uses--asian americans need to use it to underscore the fact that we're not going back to some "mother home country land".
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Guynemer
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I like "First Nations" for the people-formerly-known-as-Indians.
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Tripledoc
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In America aren't blacks more intelligent than whites?
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
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And they call themselves Arabs or Arab-Americans, don't they, loiny?
I love this debate, every friggan time it comes up. Buncha dumbass clueless muther****ers pissed that they can't go around being *******s.
You know why the words African-American were linked together, because, even today, many people still don't remember that Blacks folks are Americans. Even as late as a decade ago, a survey by the Chicago Tribune found that the majority of white people surveyed didn't think of Black people as Americans and felt that they weern't loyal enough to America. So Black people needed to remind whites folks that they've been in the US every bit as long as white people.
As for hyphen-American terms, I can assure that there's nothing wrong with being an Irish-American or an Italian-American. There are Italian-American societies in the U.S., there are Irish-American clubs. Why the hell can't someone be proud of both their ancestry and their nationality? Why can't someone be proud that they have some ethnicity. Youst because you Wonderbread mother ****ers come from the boring-ass suburbs and have had all culture stripped from you but what you can buy at the store doesn't mean all Americans need to be as bland and as boring as you!
And I think Speer, for once, was bang on!
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Big Up The Macedonian Massive
Apr 2000
time: 05:32
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i think, (and lord knows you won't get me saying this very often) che has a point. i don't think of black or asian people here as english, it's not something i do deliberatly, when i'm watching the football ashley cole or sol campbel are every bit as engligh as michael owen or wanye rooney. but this situation often arises:
me: 'ere you know what dave said to me yesterday?
andy: what the welsh one?
me: nah the 'arf-nig, y'know the one from from birmingham..
if it was a white guy i'd just call him english (or maybe a brummie), and i know i'm not alone in this.
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Tripledoc
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Well, as for oratorial greatness no-one in American modern social history beats the talent of reverend Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and Lous Farakhan. And I actually think they wrote/write their own speeches.
I think that the term Afro-American is some insidious attempt to somehow trick the black populace into thinking that they are actually on equal terms with all the other hyphenated Americans.
What I like about black culture is the overt militarism and truthfulness of it. Compare to the Judaic Anglo-Saxon bland middle-class culture which in the end has earned America nothing but derision from Europe.
In fact if it was not for black dissent America would be an incrediebly boring country.
Consider also how black culture is willing to take inspiration from great white literary figures like William Burroughs and Eminem, historial figures like Jesus Christ and Adolf Hitler, and one will begin to appreciate the socalled 'Public Enemy'.
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C0ckney
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Big Up The Macedonian Massive
Apr 2000
time: 05:32
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someone please tell me trippledoc is extracting the michael here...
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loinburger
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Sweet Sauce Jones
Jul 1999
time: 00:32
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
And they call themselves Arabs or Arab-Americans, don't they, loiny? |
Yes, because if they called themselves African-Americans, then that would imply that they were black despite this not being the case. What's your point?
I recall that "black-American" was supposed to replace "African-American" at one point because the latter term isn't nearly as precise as the former term. Sure, if everybody in Africa were black then "African-American" would be equivalent to "black-American," but even if we discount European immigrants to Africa then the terms are still not equivalent. It was several years ago that I read about this proposed change in nomeclature, though, and it appears that the new term didn't really stick, since "African-American" and "black" are still used interchangeably without "black-American" ever coming into the picture.
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Youst because you Wonderbread mother ****ers come from the boring-ass suburbs and have had all culture stripped from you but what you can buy at the store doesn't mean all Americans need to be as bland and as boring as you! |
This is why I'm always left floundering in these threads -- the use of the term "African-American" may strike me as being imprecise and probably unnecessary, but I certainly don't believe that this warrants its being struck from the lexicon, but at the same time I certainly don't believe that personal attacks are warranted against those who believe that the term is imprecise and probably unnecessary. It leaves me in a position wherein I can't agree with anybody without being tainted by their jackassery. For Christ's sake, not every issue has to be about the ultimate battle between Good and Evil.
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centrifuge
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Nobody has ever called me a Chechoslovakian/German-American.
Maybe back in the 1800's...
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