09-01-2004 15:01									#61
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I think the money could be better spent right now improving our current environment. In the long run sure, but I don't want to see a vague program started for this right now.

	09-01-2004 15:29									#62
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This is definitely one of the coolest things I've heard lately.

	09-01-2004 15:58									#63
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Would it not be possible, considering that the g forces needed to escape the moon (or moon orbit) are far lower, to create spaceships out of glass? Multishell, line it with lead to protect against radiation. And correct me if i am wrong, but isn't silicon a large part of solar panels? You could use those as a kind of solar sail to generate energy for propulsion to travel within Mars orbit perhaps...

I have read stuff about asteroids, but can't remeber the details. Would you not need to apply a fairly small amount of force to push an asteroid of orbit? Then I suppose they could be steered towards the earth in the same way as we now steer spacecrafts into orbit around other planets. Just need lander vehicles that will provide the thrusters (nuclear?).

Anyway as i am biologist/computer scientist, I might just be talking out of my arse

	09-01-2004 17:06									#64
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quote: Originally posted by lightblue Anyway as i am biologist/computer scientist, I might just be talking out of my arse

Wow!!

quote: Originally posted by Trip This is definitely one of the coolest things I've heard lately.

	09-01-2004 17:53									#65
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Aye the biological skills needed to form proper consonants when talking through ones arse is immense

	09-01-2004 20:43									#66
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More space exploration

Huge, costly manned missions + WoT + Iraq + Afganistan + an already massive deficit and an administration which has no intention of raising taxes = this is all talk and, I'd bet, no action. NASA will never actually be given the money necessary for this stuff.

-Arrian

	09-01-2004 20:43									#67
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Forget glass, think steel-reinforced concrete.

Seriously.

	09-01-2004 20:51									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander It's more polite to allow others the pleasure of pointing that out.

I have this horrible, horrible fear of criticism.

	09-01-2004 21:09									#69
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Cool! When we get it up and running, can we send Bush? And Rumsfeld? Cheney? Ashcroft? Wolfowitz?


That'd be peachy keen.

	09-01-2004 21:17									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Cool! When we get it up and running, can we send Bush? And Rumsfeld? Cheney? Ashcroft? Wolfowitz? That'd be peachy keen.

You want to unleash them on the martains?

What, do you want to start a War of the Worlds?

	09-01-2004 21:19									#71
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No, they get to be on the 3rd ship, with the accountants and hairdressers...

	09-01-2004 21:23									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian No, they get to be on the 3rd ship, with the accountants and hairdressers...

Will they need the missile shield to get past the mutant star goat?

	09-01-2004 21:58									#73
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So long as the man they send is Carrot Top, and they don't provide him with a radio, means of return, or an unduly large supply of oxygen, I'm cool with it. Other than that it's just a spiffy waste of money.

	09-01-2004 22:12									#74
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Better uninhabited planets than Middle East nations.

First thing out of Dubya's mouth I agree with all these years. Let's hope for some more!

Oh yeah we've completed the Apollo Program for years already... why aren't we starting on our spaceship?

	09-01-2004 22:34									#76
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Excellent idea! I can't wait!



$1,500 per person!

Maybe I'd rather pay 10 bucks to buy a Star Trek movie...

	09-01-2004 22:52									#77
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP $1,500 per person!

Well, thats over a 10+ year period. And, of course, most of it's going to be payed by those really rich people who have most of the money and pay most of the taxes anyway...

quote: Maybe I'd rather pay 10 bucks to buy a Star Trek movie...

Only if it's even numbered!

	09-01-2004 23:19									#78
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Thank you, Arrian. I love it when people make Guide references.

quote: Originally posted by Edan Only if it's even numbered!

There were odd numbered ones?

	09-01-2004 23:41									#79
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1. If this is funded, it will mean an enormous expansion of high tech jobs. A lot of Apolytoners will have a very rosy future working on this.

2. The Moon does make a lot of sense, because it suffers the same exposure to radiation as does Mars. If we can solve the problems of a permanent base on the Moon, we only have to worry about getting to and returning from Mars.

3. Given the bitter polictical climate prevailing today, I would not be surprised if the Dems oppose this just because Bush proposed it.

4. I wonder if any of our partners, like Japan or the EU, would like to take an active role? Should this be a joint effort?

	09-01-2004 23:52									#80
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This announcement by Bush is either: 1) A dishonest attempt to generate some election year excitement about his presidency; or 2) An honest attempt to use space exploration as a front for funneling money to the defense industry.

It probably is both.

What could possibly be the payoff to Americans for the millions of dollars spent to create and maintain a permanent base on the moon? National Pride? Stop selling this BS, Bush. Spend that money instead on social programs and/ or give it to the states. And Mars... please.... who gives a **** about walking on Mars?
If the Chinese want to get there first, let them. Its the "red" planet after all. They'll feel right at home.

	10-01-2004 00:38									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo This has got to be a joke. In other news, Bush has decided to put poor people in labor camps to cover the budget deficit...

I don't get it.

Are you saying he shouldn't be spending when there's a deficit?

	10-01-2004 00:49									#82
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Given that the moon is made of Earth debris, it's rather likely there is iron there. I expect, however, that any significant quantities are deep.

	10-01-2004 02:34									#83
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In one sense, compared to the Earth, the moon is iron-plated.

In another sense, the moon is iron deficient.

It all depends on how you look the iron.

Iron on the moon is plentiful, but it's locked in forms that terrestrial mining firms probably wouldn't look twice at due to the high extraction costs. However, if you couple those extraction costs to the transport costs of putting that iron into orbit, it suddenly becomes very economical.

	10-01-2004 02:37									#84
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 This announcement by Bush is either: 1) A dishonest attempt to generate some election year excitement about his presidency; or 2) An honest attempt to use space exploration as a front for funneling money to the defense industry. It probably is both. What could possibly be the payoff to Americans for the millions of dollars spent to create and maintain a permanent base on the moon? National Pride? Stop selling this BS, Bush. Spend that money instead on social programs and/ or give it to the states. And Mars... please.... who gives a **** about walking on Mars? If the Chinese want to get there first, let them. Its the "red" planet after all. They'll feel right at home.

What, you think this planet is going to last forever?

It is in our best interests to get the colonization ball rolling, and sooner rather than later.

We really need to get off this rock.

	10-01-2004 02:43									#85
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 This announcement by Bush is either: 1) A dishonest attempt to generate some election year excitement about his presidency; or 2) An honest attempt to use space exploration as a front for funneling money to the defense industry.

What did I say?

The left simply cannot address the merits of anything Bush proposes. Everything, absolutely everything, becomes a political issue.

	10-01-2004 03:11									#86
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It's perhaps a result of him realizing that Yellowstone (See this thread: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=105900) is gonna blow, and he needs to create some new states to make up for those in the Midwest republican stronghold that are gonna turn into the next Great Lake.

But for the sake of peace on Earth, the US needs to expand into space. The US is incapable of not expanding, and as the last two wars have shown it's not possible to do it on Earth anymore without someone else getting cheesed.

	10-01-2004 03:33									#87
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Smiley, well, there was a reason we planted the US flag on the Moon.

We will soon plant one on Mars as well.

Latecomers are trespassers and will have to pay rent.

	10-01-2004 03:39									#88
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Sounds like an utter waste of time. Leaving the earth could be of no earthly use!

	10-01-2004 03:39									#89
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I wanna get to Mars early, while beach front property is still cheap.

	10-01-2004 04:44									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Smiley, well, there was a reason we planted the US flag on the Moon. We will soon plant one on Mars as well. Latecomers are trespassers and will have to pay rent.

Not according to international agreements on extraterrestrial bodies they won't.