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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:33
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Originally posted by Edan
While also using Snow White as an analogy, calling her an "innocent heart being devoured by wild beasts" and a "poor child" |
Oh for ****'s sake, READ THE ARTISTS' WORDS. You're making up their meaning using the fairy tale to suit what you want it to be! They did NOT name it "Snow White" to depict her as innocent, they named it that because she LOOKED like Snow White. The entire point is that she looks so innocent and pure, but then she goes and does something so murderous, which to them is incomprehensible. You're using the words from the fairy tale, that were NOT used by the authors. That's being disingenuous and you know it. Which is surprising coming from you, Edan.
I'll bold it for the dense:
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"I wanted to show how incomprehensible it is that a mother-of-two, who is a lawyer no less, can do such a thing," she said.
"When I saw her picture in the paper, I thought she looked like Snow White, that's why I gave that name to the piece," she added. |
Gee, right there all the time.
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Yes, in perfect makeup looking "innocent" and floating and untouched and unmarred by that blood. The artwork tries to dismiss her culpability, that she's simply a mother of two and a lawyer who just happened to be in a messed up world that placed her in such a situation when in reality, she is guilty of the brutal murder of twenty one people, she was the one responsible for her actions. That she should be portrayed in the manner she was is disgusting and certainly inappropriate in an exhibition on genocide who's scope was not supposed to cover the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. |
THE CAPTION OF THE ARTWORK CALLS HER A MURDERER! My god, I don't understand how it could be any clearer! This is so frustrating, because you're ingoring the stated intent of the artwork from its Israeli, Jewish creator and just blithely going on with your own assumption of what it means! If the artwork says she is guilty of murdering scores and has her floating a pool of blood, I'd say the artists had pretty effectively conveyed that she was a murderer!
This is just positively ridiculous.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:33
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Originally posted by Winston
It may seem ridiculous to you, but the Israeli government is backing the ambassador, so there must be something to it, wouldn't you say.
Israel will not participate in next week's conference if the exhibit is not removed. But I guess they're just a bit dense? |
Actualy, yes, the current right-wing Israeli government, being made of people who share your views, is rather dense. Thanks for proving my point.
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No, just standing next to you. |
Well Monk, that is what happends when you stand up too fast and enter the light for the first time..it can make one queasy. on't worry, you wll feel much better having such a clearer view soon enough.
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THE CAPTION OF THE ARTWORK CALLS HER A MURDERER! My god, I don't understand how it could be any clearer! This is so frustrating, because you're ingoring the stated intent of the artwork from its Israeli, Jewish creator and just blithely going on with your own assumption of what it means! If the artwork says she is guilty of murdering scores and has her floating a pool of blood, I'd say the artists had pretty effectively conveyed that she was a murderer!
This is just positively ridiculous. |
It is rather frustrating, isn;t it? More worrying of course is the fact that some peole choose to igore the obvious becuase it gets in the way of their indignation.
Oh, and  whaleboy
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Snotty
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Illegal for Sweden to remove it? Interesting twist. Have the Israelis got any reason to want out of this conference?
As for destroying artwork, the ambassadors act was symbolic. The paper (plastic?) boat and picture were both easily replaced. Its not as if he has taken a machete to the Mona Lisa.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:33
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Originally posted by Winston
The exhibit is displayed in preparation for and direct connection to the conference. That's why the Israelis are upset, and rightfully so IMO.
It's most insensitive to the Israeli people having a piece there depicting the suicide bomber as basically a slightly misguided nice young girl in the middle of a bitter and violent conflict.
As I said before, there's little mitigation to mass murder, and she should not be portrayed with any mitigating features, such as the likening her to Snow White, with all the associations that entails. |
The wall one might generallybe better here, but your refusal to read and understand is too great..and it enters into the comical.
I won't rehash the 5 or 6 times it has been explained exactly why your interpretation is silly..why someone's picture floating in a pool of blood is hardly a showing of innocense.
NOw, if it was Saron's picture there, in connection to Lebanon, maybe the government might have a little more right to be upset, though the art would be just as powerfull, anf the messaeg just as valid.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:33
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Originally posted by Winston
It's most insensitive to the Israeli people having a piece there depicting the suicide bomber as basically a slightly misguided nice young girl in the middle of a bitter and violent conflict. |
And it depicts no such thing, as we've rehashed her many times. The exhibit calls her the murderer of scores of people. How is an expression of not comprehending how someone who looks so innocent could do such a horrible thing in any way insensitive to Israelis?
Oh...the artist is Israeli! Haven't we mentioned that before? 
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As I said before, there's little mitigation to mass murder, and she should not be portrayed with any mitigating features, such as the likening her to Snow White, with all the associations that entails. |
Oh lord, here we go again. What about this mitigates anything? It calls her a murderer! For the upteenth time:
"When I saw her picture in the paper, I thought she looked like Snow White, that's why I gave that name to the piece," [the artist] added.
They only named it Snow White because of the resemblance, and because naming her such stood in ironic contrast to the horrible thing she did (which is fully detailed in the caption for the artwork).
The rest is just hysteria based on a wilful lack of understanding of the artists' intent. It's stupid.
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:33
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Edan, I applaud your posts in this thread. They are very insightful and informative on the issue of homicide bombers.
Last edited by Ned on 19-01-2004 at 01:22
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laurentius
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Helsinki, Finland
Jun 2001
time: 07:33
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Throw the incompetent nazi ambassador out of Sweden.  
People I agree with this thread about everything include such great people as: Boris G, Uncle Boris, Osweld, Huej, Combat ingrid, Comrade T, Gepap, Krazyhorse, Agathon...etc all the right minded.
Also I have been working in an Art Gallery myself too, sold couple of paintings as well, in case it makes any diffrence. I think that art, however you feel about it should be protected against any physical vandality like this. Art is not here to always please us. Its to provoke feelings,questions, diffrent views. To make us think, not just the aesthetic side but why it was done, what does it try to say, how it was done and possibly how much does it cost? 
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18-01-2004 19:38
This is just another proof of the hatred and violence that still plague many Israelians. 
You often say that if you come from a violent home where your parents often abused you you not to seldom grow up and becomes a abuser your self..... This is exacty what has happend with the jews after hundreds of years of discrimination and violence against the Jewish people. there is just to much of disspelief and plain hatred in Israeli minds to think straight.... 
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