01-02-2004 08:44									#91
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Interesting. You have a goodly number of camels stationed in their home cities. What is your thinking about this tactic??

Until Metallurgy "topples" the Great Wall there doesn't seem to be much profit in attacking the Suefolk. If those units are stationed in the fortress they will be safe and lure the Indians to their deaths.

Monk

	01-02-2004 09:02									#92
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I was wondering why neither of our two clerics switched to Republic after building the Chapel? What'r y'all waitin' fur?

OTOH, it looks like Raz has found an excellent Institute site over near the Soo.

	01-02-2004 09:19									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk Interesting. You have a goodly number of camels stationed in their home cities. What is your thinking about this tactic?? Until Metallurgy "topples" the Great Wall there doesn't seem to be much profit in attacking the Suefolk. If those units are stationed in the fortress they will be safe and lure the Indians to their deaths. Monk

Was unsure whther to start actually trading with them or to hold them for wow rushing, so left them where they were for the enxt great leader to decide best actions....

As for the sioux yes i should have waited, but got bored sso went for a wander across the palins .... in hindsight i wouldnt have left the fortress

	01-02-2004 09:20									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Grigor I was wondering why neither of our two clerics switched to Republic after building the Chapel? What'r y'all waitin' fur? OTOH, it looks like Raz has found an excellent Institute site over near the Soo.

Also didnt think we were fully prepared for a governmetn switch yet and not having the oedo years in fornt of me, didnt want to waste production and growth during anarchy.

	01-02-2004 09:24									#95
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I'm not a fan of Republic unless the preparation is done. In my case, I was waiting for the fortress at the chokepoint to complete, on the one hand, and Shake's on the other. I actually got very lucky, getting Medicine out of a Hut. Otherwise, it would not be so close to being ready. Fortunately, I also got Sanitation, so an aquaduct and sewer should be started next in the capital.

The capital can get to size 21 or so; not sure with this map and Republic. The point of going Republic is growing the Capital/SSC. It costs too much in lost food and shields to overstay. The other cities will grow as best they can during that term.

That's the long answer, Grigor. The short answer is sequence logistics.

Monk

	01-02-2004 09:28									#96
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well next person can return our units back to the fortress and then maybe switch to republic i guess...

	01-02-2004 09:49									#97
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Or something else entirely; we shall see in the fullness of time.

Different kind of roster this time. There is still room for more to join in the fun. We have...

Restricted:
-4 Old n Slow
-3 Grigor
-2 Bloody Monk
-1 Rasputin

Free to play:
SG[1]
-Jrabbit
He who choses to be chosen

12 Turns

Monk

	01-02-2004 11:31									#98
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Tech rate could probably be cut from 10 turns to 6 or 7 by making peace with the Suefolk and doing a massive tech dump.

Monk

	01-02-2004 13:38									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk He who choses to be chosen 12 Turns Monk

that's me

	01-02-2004 16:42									#100
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I chose the peaceful way (for once ):

SSC now size 17; Shakespeare, Magellan, Leonardo.
Log very soon.

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	01-02-2004 21:21									#101
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Thank you, Lafayette, for civilizing our civilization! It was fortuitous to find the first Carthaginian city, since they have refused to trade maps for 2000 years. The inspired location of LafayetteSilk should be developed to have at least one wonder by the end of the game. Soon a play theme may emerge.

I wonder when somebody will take the time to build a university in our capital...

	01-02-2004 21:36									#102
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LF comes to power and wonders why the previous leader was busy building an aqueduct in the city of 4Monks (size 6), why the marvelous Wonder of Shakespeare was left half-built and why there were so many caravans left idle here and there (this is not the 'lazy' succession game is this ?).

Anyway our concern is not the past, but the future, and LF decides to be a peaceful ruler (probably for a change from his bad habits in scenarios, where the problem is generally to shoot faster than the opponents ).

1160: Revolution

1180: Republic chosen (sure the Monk will love that ); lots of units disbanded; SHAKESPEARE completed; lux at 10%, enough for our SSC to celebrate (thank you HG!).
Sioux Elephant contacts us and agrees for ceasefire, then peace = massive tech gifting = our rate of research down from 10 to 7 turns/tech.

1220: INVENTION disc., r. Physics; Aqueduct completed in the SSC and lux at 20%.

1240: Persian horseman will have 50g = Yes (the horseman is stationed close to a stack of 2 settlers and we dislike to run the chance) = peace.

1260: MAGELLAN (so nice to have on huge maps)

1280: Hut = 50g; SSC size 12.

1300: Sewer System completed; SSC size 13; lux at 30%. Hut = AT = Fayettesilk.

1320: Library in 4Monks; PHYSICS disc., r. Theory of Gravity. LEONARDO (so nice to have before Explosives, oops Gunpowder if you prefer).

1340: Babs ask us to ally against Germans = NO (though that would have been my pleasure )

1380: Hut = 100g; SSC size 17

Note to my successor:
I chose peace... for a while. Feel free to build bunches of ironclads (don't forget to rehome them to the SSC), if you feel like it.

	01-02-2004 21:45									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Grigor I wonder when somebody will take the time to build a university in our capital...

...my successor, I suppose, right after Isaac.
For me, it wasn't a question of time, but it was definitely a question of cash ( already compelled to lower the science rate in order to raise funds for the Sewer System).

	01-02-2004 22:03									#104
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Saw the save, played the game. Log to follow...

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	01-02-2004 22:35									#105
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1380 -- Move a couple of citizens, buy the market in N. Zoom. (Where are our boats? A ship chain to Persia might bring in a few $$.)

1400 (1) -- Market completed in N Zoom, as is a settler in Canal Zone; both start on boats. Pop a few huts -- Barbs in the north (dip later dies & the boat is recalled for ship chain duty; 50g and an AT == Cuidad Gonzalez, a size 4 (island) city west of Persia (a future trade target, I might add.)

1420 (2) tickle a few shields & some movement

1440 (3) Discover TG, opt for Mag. (Persians discover the Wheel, Celts get WC, Babs get both from the GL.)

1460 (4) Hut = 100g. (Carts get Code.) We Love ends for Central City

1480 (5) Drop off three camels in Persian lands (all undemanded)

1500 (6) Cash in the first of three camels for 58g.

1510 (7) Discover Mag, opt for Chem over AT, Bank (Germans know), BB (Carts, Sioux, & Babs know), Steam, & Theo. Cash in the other two camels, best = 68g. We buy (subvert, actually) Stoney Lake for 79g X 2 -- & get 7g back along with 2 cruc. We also get BB and most importantly, a nice canal. Carts want to talk, want 300g (no) and declare war. Toggle up to 0.4.6

1520 (8) WL in 7 cities, inc. Central City. Second skull appears near Central City.

1530 (9) Monk Silk (d) to Sidon nets 165g. (Better...)

1540 (10) New cities: Quick Coal & Rapid Buff. Pop = 5M

1550 (11) Discover Chem, opt for Gun. deliver four demanded camels to Persian markets, netting 120, 140, 180, and 200 (because the demand changed with the last one, Beads from BM to Ar!). Hut gives a None Leagion in the far south; because we have a few extra coins, we'll buy a university in Central City (size = 22, max, so we toggle down a bit).

1560 (12) Discover Gun, opt for Explosives over Metal, AT, Bank, Steam, Theo. We have a few hundred in cash, five food camels & a couple of Wonder options...all for the next player.

	01-02-2004 23:23									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Old n Slow (Where are our boats? A ship chain to Persia might bring in a few $$.) 1540 (10) New cities: Quick Coal & Rapid Buff. Pop = 5M

1) I had to choose, and preferred the wonders (Magellan + Leonardo + Isaac (planned)). Though one caravel was finished building IIRC.

2) What use those 2 cities on rather rough terrain?

	02-02-2004 00:13									#107
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Good turns!! this is working out nicely.

I agree with La Fayette about Rapid Buff, especially with the still undeveloped river system, with buffalo, north of Sweetwater; and with Explosives coming next. But, I wasn't there.

We are moving right along. Let's try this as a roster...

• Old n Slow...R1
  
• Grigor
  
• Bloody Monk...R4
  
• SG[1]
  
• -Jrabbit
  
• Rasputin...R3
  
• La Fayette...R2
  [*The Unknown Soldier (s)
  

	02-02-2004 02:05									#108
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette 2) What use those 2 cities on rather rough terrain?

The territory around both of those cities was ours -- the gap looked like it needed to be filled. As it turns out, the buffalo & coal mine should pay for themselves with future trucks if nothing else.

	02-02-2004 02:42									#109
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Yep. I agree they will pay off long term. I think the queries were more about why 'those' sites now instead of others.

Monk

	02-02-2004 08:58									#110
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette LF comes to power and wonders why the previous leader was busy building an aqueduct in the city of 4Monks (size 6), snip 1180: Republic chosen (sure the Monk will love that ); lots of units disbanded; SHAKESPEARE completed; lux at 10%, enough for our SSC to celebrate (thank you HG!).

Yes, my friend, this is now the time for Republic. Growth can begin w/o interruption from unhappies in the Capital.

But there were 10 cities at size three and 8 of them could have celebrated for at least one turn with luxuries at a mere 30%. In this context, I believe you will find the answer to your question about the aquaduct at 4Monks. Rasputin was thinking that more growth would be initiated once Republic was suggested. At least, that is what I thought when I noticed that build order.

Monk

	02-02-2004 09:44									#111
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Playing now. Give me three hours.

	02-02-2004 11:36									#112
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette LF comes to power and wonders why the previous leader was busy building an aqueduct in the city of 4Monks (size 6),

probably a stuf fup ooops

quote: why the marvelous Wonder of Shakespeare was left half-built and why there were so many caravans left idle here and there (this is not the 'lazy' succession game is this ?).

this was becuae i wasnt sure if that the right wonder to build and paniced so didnt build it left to next leader , yourself, to make that decision

	02-02-2004 11:38									#113
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and the city i built was jsut to fill in space too, hope that not to bad , this my firs treal attempt at a succesion game, did do one a long time ago, but that was sort of a fun one

	02-02-2004 11:58									#114
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Well, we have INC, Explosives, Chivalry, Metallurgy, Steam Engine, and Democracy, but what will be done with it is up to my successor. I had some sticky mouse issues and the shipchain is a mess - be careful, we are at war with the Persians.

1560 Take the torch. Finish Harbor. press Enter

1570 adjust shipchain.
1580 INC.
1590 Explosives=>Chiv. Polar hut: 100g Lux up to 50 to grow some small cities
1600 Ur completes Sun Tzu
1610 Canal Zone Gems to Antioch (d, 282)
1620 Chiv=>Steam Eng. Lux back to 20
1630
1640
1650 Steam E=>Metallurgy
1660
1670 Metal=>RR. Great Wall in Siouxland is history Persians Sneak Attack, kill a galleon
1680 Trade guns and steam engine to Babs for Demo. My successor can revolt or build SoL if desired. Dye is going to Pasargadae.

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	02-02-2004 12:32									#115
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good session ...

	02-02-2004 13:00									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk But there were 10 cities at size three and 8 of them could have celebrated for at least one turn with luxuries at a mere 30% Monk

You are perfectly right
... but it was such fun to celebrate at 10% lux

(I had in mind our friend Jrabbit setting lux at 70% in another game in order to celebrate, and that pleased me mightily ).

	02-02-2004 15:44									#117
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Eight Turns Each from here ...

My apologies RL issues will probably stop my playing for a few days ...

	02-02-2004 16:36									#118
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I could play this evening, but if overnight is too long to wait for the rest of you then please say so. Anyone can jump in now - I'm not claiming it yet by the way.

	02-02-2004 17:28									#119
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go for it !!!

	02-02-2004 18:06									#120
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I was just saying that if I take the .sav home from work with me that'll be in four hours time (3am your time), then I shan't return with it until 9 tomorrow morning (7pm your time), which isn't really fair on everyone else.

Besides, maybe my girlfriend would appreciate an evening without the delights of Civ 2, as only I see them.

I think I'll withdraw my offer to play this. Maybe later, if the game is still going by the time I get round to it again.