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rmsharpe is offline rmsharpe
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I thought Petrograd was the name the Bolsheviks, not the whites, used after seizing the city rather than Petersburg.

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I thought it was Leningrad.

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St. Petersburg was renamed Petrograd at the start of the Great War as the Tsar felt the former was too German-sounding. The city was then renamed Leningrad after Lenin's death in 1924.

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Any changes that our map-experts deem crucial, I will be willing to implement...


Curt, I shuddered when I saw how you'd represented Australia. It's almost all wrong

Please see the updated version of your save I've attached to this file for how Australia actually looked in 1914.

You'll note that I got rid of Broome and Cooktown, each of which had (and still have) a population of only a few hundred people as well as Canberra, which didn't even exist until after WW1. I've moved Brisbane and Adelaide and adjusted the populations of most cities in Australasia. I've also renamed 'Wellington' to 'Auckland' as judging from where you've placed the city, that's what you're trying to represent

Depending on gameplay issues, you may want to convert the Adelaide-Perth road to a RR. The line across the Nulabour was finished just before WW1.

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Oil became important late in the war, but it wasn't the measure of industrial might.


True. It was however vital to the British Royal Navy. The Persian oilfields became vital to Britain's security the minute Churchill decided that all future battleships would burn oil and not coal.

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New City: Madang to the Germans 232,130 in New Guinea


Nope. Rabaul was the only town of note in New Guniea. The Germans should start off with some pacific islands - I'm pretty sure that they had Truk and Naru.

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um, and here's the updated file as promised

Attachment: kaiser-test1-australia.zip
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Curt, here's the WW1 Russians:

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@fairline:

Thanks, mate!

You rule!

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First of all, sorry for not being along the last day or two!
Dratted university work, and long 3D renders taking up my time!

@our_man:
That’s just the kind of thing I had in mind, undeveloped areas that will take a long time to grow,
but a few hard units will swing the balance!

I want it to feel like an empire /buildgrab and a war rampage!

Getting units from one place to another will put you at the mercy of the enemy navies!

Especially the Unter-see boots!

But don't worry!
I have not ignored naval power in this scenario!

@Sarsstock:
That is the kind of thing I have in mind for the Tzarists! The bolshies will appear when you lose certain cities, and they won’t be giving up!
They’ll be hard to defeat, but it might be possible.
A fitting punishment for being crap!

@GePap:
That’s an darn fine idea!

@Boco:
I will consider all of this.
You are right, there is much potential to make the scenario mechanics work in the way our_man described - top class!
And I like the idea of capable units being pricey!

@Kobra:
Yes, it is the D3 file, you have to start somewhere!
And thanks for that priceless info!

And that’s a nice map! It will be a fine guide Cheers!

@rmsharpe:
Don’t you worry, squire!
I have taken your advice into account – I value your input a lot!

@Case:
This save was taken from the dictator scenario, so please excuse the inaccuracy of the Australian regions!
I knew about Canberra, and was set to remove it, but it was an oversight!

But cheers, big time for that map edit!



Time to get on with this!

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That cossack unit looks fantastic, fairline

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Thanks to fairline's input, I can now display the latest version of the units!

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The units are still to be given a proper credit, so if you do not see your name on any unit, don't worry!

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That cossack unit looks fantastic, fairline


Thanks Jasev

Curt, I have these MG's from WW1 as well: a British Vickers MG and German MG08 (Vickers-Maxim copy)

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I was thinking about your aircraft selection, Curt. I think Boco's right - you maybe have a few too many British types. At most I would have 3 upgrades of fighter; maybe an Avro 504 (1914), Nieuport (used by both the British and French - 1916) and Camel (1917).

Do you think there should be French cavalry and possibly French African troops?

I'm not sure about the Lancia, either. They were unusable for the Italians in their main theatre of operations against the Austrians in the Alps and were mainly used against for policing Libya. Perhaps a British or Russian AC - the Brits were the first to field them and the Russians used them extensively. I may be able to come up with a Lanchester or Austin-Putilov if you decide on the British or Russians.

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Thanks Jasev

Curt, I have these MG's from WW1 as well: a British Vickers MG and German MG08 (Vickers-Maxim copy)


So...beautiful!

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@Gareth: Those machine gunners are simply fantastic! I'm yet again speechless

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As always, Fairlin'es units are teh OMG!!!

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Blooming heck! There's no stopping this man!

These look totally superb in game, again you win the day, fairline! Cheers!

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I was thinking about your aircraft selection, Curt. I think Boco's right - you maybe have a few too many British types. At most I would have 3 upgrades of fighter; maybe an Avro 504 (1914), Nieuport (used by both the British and French - 1916) and Camel (1917).


You have a point...
My plan for aircraft is thus:

(Entente)
Light generic monoplane - (all, except Germans) to represent the Morane-Saulnier N and similar.
Upgrades to:
Nieuport 17 (French only)
Fe2b (Brits only)
Generic Biplane (All civ except Entente and Centrals)

Nieuport 17 -
Upgrades to:
Spad 13 (French only)

Fe2b -
Upgrades to:
Camel (Brits only)

Avro 504 - (very light bomber)
Upgrades to:
DH4 (light bomber)

DH4 -
Upgrades to:
Handley Page (heavy bomber)

(Germans)
Eindecker -
Upgrades to:
Albatros (DII/III models)

Albatros -
Upgrades to:
Fokker DRI (triplane)

Fokker DRI
Upgrades to:
Fokker DVII (ultimate fighter inscenario)

Gotha C4 Bomber appears as a replacement for the Zepplins.

If you have the time, I would be so grateful if you could give the Fokker DVII a shot?

I know I am a fokker for asking (shoot me ) but your aircraft are so good that mine would not pass muster.

PS
I may have to drop some craft, and it makes me sad to not use such wonderful units.
I must do a ToT version of this scen too, so I can use everything!

quote:
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Do you think there should be French cavalry and possibly French African troops?


I do agree, fairline!
Hence I will sacrifice the Brequet and Brisfit...*weeps*

quote:
Originally posted by fairline
I'm not sure about the Lancia, either. They were unusable for the Italians in their main theatre of operations against the Austrians in the Alps and were mainly used against for policing Libya. Perhaps a British or Russian AC - the Brits were the first to field them and the Russians used them extensively. I may be able to come up with a Lanchester or Austin-Putilov if you decide on the British or Russians.


Pehaps A generic Entente and Central powers AC to cover all bases?

Again, many thanks for those MGs, If you could do a DVII, I would be humbled!

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How far can the planes move Curt? Almost all WW1 planes had very short ranges, and moving more then two or three map squares would have probably been beyond them.

IMO, you should cut the aircraft to a few generic designs (ie basic fighter/bomber and advanced fighter/bomber) and add more ships. The British Queen Elizabeth class battleships for instance are much more deserving of a unit slot then any single warplane type of the era.

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The plane's will be limited to a max of three squares, and that is even the final upgraded types.

But sorry, Case, I love WW1 aircraft, (as much as you love navies!) and that was the main reason for including so many planes.

And I couldn't bear to drop any more of fairline's cool units!

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Wait a minute....

There is definetely something amiss here....

Where is a Greek infantry unit?
It so happened that Greek infantry was the world's finest at that time.Yes they performed even better than the Reichswehr and perhaps the BEF.

Okay perhaps i'll shut my nationalistic mouth now.


What are those Curt?Japs?

I think it would be better to include in their place a minor Central powers ally infantry(Bulgars) and an minor Entente allies unit(Rommanians, Serbs, Yugoslavians, Greeksetc).

I mean the Japs only fought one major engagement during the war besieging Tsingtao(???) and forcing the German marines regiment to surrender. About 1000 casualities in all.

Just some thoughts here.

Those MGs truly are something.

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Were the Greeks fighting?

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It so happened that Greek infantry was the world's finest at that time.

Yes, that would explain their performance in 1921-2. Most of their Great War gains occurred in late 1918 against a mutinous Bulgarian army on a front many historians consider a waste of resources.

Regardless of their performance, the Greek role in WWI was small. On that alone, I'd recommend other minor units over Greek infantry. One of those would be a generic minor power infantry.

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I'm just glad to see the Canadian contribution reconized. Now as regards to including Japan in the game, I like this idea because it give the player the chance to be more aggressive and seize the opportunity to snatch european owned soil in the pacific.

Who knows, the Japanese could even make allies with the Central Powers and attack the Philipines or Singapore and Hong Kong..... Who knows. Oh and one more question, I'm sure I've missed it somewhere but could somebody tell me what the human civ's are? That way I could get to work on a little piece of fan art for this game.

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Who would have control of a Greek infantry?

In a global scen, Japan must stay, of course,
the cavalry may move out, but we'll see...!

I want to give the player some options, and not just the same old England and France vs Germanics as always.

The civs right now:

Central Powers.
The Entente.
Tzarist Russia.
Imperial Turkey.
Kingdom of Italy.
Imperial Japan.
The Great Nations.

There is an cheap infantry unit that will fill the gaps for minor nations, etc...

I may combine the German and Italian AC into one generic type, and free up a unit slot...

Any suggestions?

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You have a point...
My plan for aircraft is thus:

(Entente)
Light generic monoplane - (all, except Germans) to represent the Morane-Saulnier N and similar.
Upgrades to:
Nieuport 17 (French only)
Fe2b (Brits only)
Generic Biplane (All civ except Entente and Centrals)

Nieuport 17 -
Upgrades to:
Spad 13 (French only)

Fe2b -
Upgrades to:
Camel (Brits only)

Avro 504 - (very light bomber)
Upgrades to:
DH4 (light bomber)

DH4 -
Upgrades to:
Handley Page (heavy bomber)

(Germans)
Eindecker -
Upgrades to:
Albatros (DII/III models)

Albatros -
Upgrades to:
Fokker DRI (triplane)

Fokker DRI
Upgrades to:
Fokker DVII (ultimate fighter inscenario)

Gotha C4 Bomber appears as a replacement for the Zepplins.

If you have the time, I would be so grateful if you could give the Fokker DVII a shot?


I'll have a go at the Fokker, Curt

I kind of like the idea of 'Red Baron' for Civ BTW

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Wait a minute....

There is definetely something amiss here....

Where is a Greek infantry unit?


The Serbs have more claim to a unit - they twice defeated the Austrians before succumbing to a joint Austrian / Bulgarian invasion

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Yeah, don't forget to give the Germans their city in China ( Tsingtao )

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Wow!
Thanks fairline!

No WW1 scen could do without those knights of the sky, Especially Mannock, Foncke and the Baron.

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Yes, that would explain their performance in 1921-2. Most of their Great War gains occurred in late 1918 against a mutinous Bulgarian army on a front many historians consider a waste of resources.

Regardless of their performance, the Greek role in WWI was small. On that alone, I'd recommend other minor units over Greek infantry. One of those would be a generic minor power infantry.

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*Slaps the fool *

Well we did defeat the Bolsheviks in the Crimea in 1919....

As for the 1919-22 war the troop perfomance was good, it was the lack of ultra-offensive spirit that led to our demise. I do agree that Greek contributtion was small in the war, as we only entered it in 1917 and apart from defeating the Bulgaro-German army at Skra we didn't do anything else noteworthy.

But there was just this 7 years period that the Greek army brushed aside every opponent it met(Ottomans, Bulgars, Germans, French, Bolsheviks).


But seriously now i'd rather see a minor allies(Serbs or whoever) unit in place of the Japs.

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Might be Shantung.

 
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