03-03-2004 17:18									#1
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Time for another Free-for-All game!

Last four invalid seems to work well so we shall stick to that.

Rules
The enemy is the enemy at all times.
We may never establish Embassies - no Marco or UN.
We must refuse all offers of Peace or Cease Fire - unless imposed upon us by The Wall or UN.
We must maintain a Spotless Reputation.
All other Trade & Diplomatic opportunities are allowed.
Standard 'Poly rules otherwise.

MGE, deity, Raging, Largest (Archipelago) Map

20 turns - who wants first go?

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	03-03-2004 18:03									#2
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I'm still trying to find time for Lazy Summer but will join in later.

	03-03-2004 21:49									#3
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I wanna play! I wanna play!

But right now I'm struggling to complete my Dirty turn, so I won't go yet.

	03-03-2004 23:50									#4
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Hopefully it will be my turn soon.

	04-03-2004 01:33									#5
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Then, it's my turn NOW

	04-03-2004 02:07									#6
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Green landscape and 3 starting techs: could be worse !

3950:
Hut = archer

3850:
Carthage (coastal, with a whale)

3750:
Utica (coastal with a fish)

3650:
Alphabet

3300:
Code of Laws (Monarchy not offered > we choose Currency)

3000:
Time to retire, with a wandering archer close to the Northern coast of our island and a wandering settler close to where he intends to found our third city (coastal with coal).

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	04-03-2004 03:40									#7
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Thanks LaFayette - a good start from safe hands ...

	04-03-2004 08:15									#8
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I have it now for 20 turns.

	04-03-2004 08:53									#9
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Ah, a new map to settle on. A big one I see. I built too many roads. But at least I refrained from mining the coal so far.

3000 Examine Map. Our capital location is (423,29) That's on the Wide Side. I think Magellans and Lighthouse are mandatory. Monarchy will be the next tech demanded unless we are stupid and pop the hut. Buy 2nd row in Utica. Science: 26 /39, 4 beakers/turn. Press ENTER
2950 Thought about mining the coal... if we didn't need that extra beaker for the next advance, I might have done. Oh, we can't get it because we won't be on a grass square soon enough. Hmm... Oh well, better to do it in Monarchy when the growth penalty is not so onerous.
2900* Another island spied to the West
2850 Malaca founded on coast near coal. Another hut to not open found.
2800 Currency=>Monarchy (60) at 5 bk/turn
2750 Nice city site with Whale and Silk foud in the north.
2700* Malaca warrior starts to explore. We will pop this hut and hope for no science (it's in the city radius, so no barbs.)
2650
2600 hut: Mysticism. Packing my toothbrushes.
2550 Utica builds settler
2500*
2450
2400 Carthage builds settlers
2350
2300*
2250
2200
2150
2100* Monarchy=>Maps
2050 gov: Monarchy. The Dean proclaimed Senior Lecturer of the Institutional Monarchy!
2000 Hand over the reins. one settler is possibly in a good spot, the other closing in on a whale.

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	04-03-2004 10:02									#10
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What must be punished is that you knew it and yet you did it (I mean popping that hut and delaying Monarchy).

	04-03-2004 16:22									#11
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True enough, LF - but at least I waited until we were researching Monarchy and cost only 4 turns, as opposed to opening it on my first turn and perhaps delaying it for 15 or more turns. Or opeing the other hut too and really screwing up the start...

I am still unsure about the wisdom of mining the coal in 2950BC. In retrospect, I wish that I had done it - and certainly I should have mined the coal instead of building roads. The turns lost to mining might be repaid in increased production by 1000 BC. OTOH we would be one city smaller. These are the kind of decisions that I have trouble seeing clearly.

	04-03-2004 17:39									#12
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Well I tried to open the save, but for some reason, my PC was not up to the task -- maybe JRabbit can do the mac to mac trick.

	04-03-2004 18:07									#13
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Unzip & append a ".sav" to the file name - works a treat.
What no Gardens started?
Will be able to play in a couple of hours - feel free to pre-empt me if you are able to do so.

Stu

	04-03-2004 18:13									#14
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Grigor -- always change the file name to a PC-friendly format of max 8 characters and append a ".sav" before zipping. As Mac users, we have a responsibility to the Gates Dominion.

	04-03-2004 21:02									#15
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit As Mac users, we have a responsibility to the Gates Dominion.

	04-03-2004 22:12									#16
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In other words, take pity on us poor crippled Windows victims.

	04-03-2004 23:33									#17
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Am on it - let's see if we can improve the outlook ...

Stu

	05-03-2004 03:01									#18
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Everybody seems to be inviting me to prolong my tour of Institute duty...

I always build my first wonder with 4 camels (switched from settlers) after trade, which should be in 2 techs (would have been the one we are researching now but for my rash indulgence with the hut). Is that an inferior plan? If so, then I really should have mined the coal to use it for the wonder city, and even eventually built on it. What is the prevailing thought about that?

Repeating 10 times:
"I will save and zip using nerdy PC geek-names"

	05-03-2004 04:09									#19
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the log to follow

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	05-03-2004 04:11									#20
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2000BC - Goal is to improve the local aesthetics by building some nice flowers. Convert Settler in Carthage to Horseman. Switch to shield economy.

1950BC - Horse in Carthage, start Colossus; Caralis founded.
1900BC - Panormus founded; Malaca build Settler;
1850BC -
1800BC -
1750BC -
1700BC - Uttica builds Settler
1650BC - Population 110,000; hut reveals Horseman;
1600BC -
1550BC -
1500BC - High Council - we are second in Science;
1450BC - Map Making->Pottery surprise!
1400BC -
1350BC -
1300BC - Malaca trains up Settler
1250BC - Panormus builds Settler
1200BC - Macauley confirms that we are the Second most advanced civ; Germans start Pyramids; Caralis completes Settler;
1150BC -
1100BC - Noble Settlers reveal the hidden Silk outside Carthage!
1050BC - Settler joins Carthage (4);
1000BC - The Empire is nearly joined by roads; Pottery will come in next turn hopefully to be followed by Trade; The Great Gardens (in the guise of a large statue) are half built. Two Settlers are bound for sites to the NE - one a three special the other I thought on the Buffalo, the decisions are now yours ...

	05-03-2004 04:27									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Grigor Repeating 10 times: "I will save and zip using nerdy PC geek-names"

Noblesse oblige...

	05-03-2004 04:57									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Grigor Everybody seems to be inviting me to prolong my tour of Institute duty... I always build my first wonder with 4 camels (switched from settlers) after trade,

1) Not me...
(it wouldn't be the same if you had tipped 10 huts before Monarchy )

2) I (almost) always build my first wonder with 4 camels, so I'm not the one who would be willing to send you to The Institute for that

	05-03-2004 06:10									#23
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Looks quiet --

-1000 (0) (Babs start GL) discover Pott; opt for Trade over Write & four other techs. Pop = 200K

-900 (4) (Romans start Col; Ger move capital to Leipzig)
-875 (5) found Leptis Parva in the North
-850 (6) Panoramus squirts out a settler; found Cartenna with two fish in the south.
-825 (7) Found Rusicade with 3 (or more) specials in the east.
-800 (8) (Leipzig announces the discovery of Philosophey (Rats); Sioux move capital to Wounded Knee.)
-775 (9) Discover Trade, opt for Write
-750 (10) Utica implodes, growing to size three, hire an Elvis)
-700 (12) 1st camel (food for wonder) is born.
-675 (13) Chinese start GL
-650 (14) Pop = 300K
-600 (16) The Hanging Gardens appear in Carthage.
-500 (20) Four camels arrive in Carthage for the Colossus

(Seeing as though the Romans started this 16 turns ago, I felt that this wonder was more at risk than Marco's.)

We also have a few more camels well along for Marco's -- maybe in a few turns in a more central location.

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	05-03-2004 06:12									#24
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Nope -- on second read --

No Marco's

Good thing I caught that thought in time.

Makes the Colossus even more important!

	05-03-2004 15:57									#25
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Flowers and Statues - the aesthetes prevail
Pity Carthage is so poorly sited - who goes to The Institute for flunking Initial City Siting 101?
Who gets next shot?

Stu

	05-03-2004 16:47									#26
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-Jrabbit?

Anyone but you, O n S, La Fayette and Grigor.

And La Fayette is the one looking for special offers on brosses à dents in Auchan at the moment for the siting of Carthage.

	05-03-2004 18:46									#27
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Still trying to find RL time to finish my 5 turns in Lazy Summer. So not me, not now.

	05-03-2004 20:01									#28
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as far as initial city goes, Carthage is ok; as far as starting a wonder for SSC site goes -- how come that nice East site (Rusicade) was left open for so long -- and the wonders should have been built there.

	05-03-2004 20:36									#29
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If someone is unhappy with the siting of Carthage, please load the game at 4000BC and explain to me what was to be done.

(until then I don't feel guilty at all )

	05-03-2004 21:05									#30
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I don't know. Maybe Stu uses Hut(and special)Finder from the off, so he'd know where to put his first city. I doubt it though. I always use a map and loads of guesswork.