12-03-2004 00:29									#61
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Never seen so WIDE a map...

	12-03-2004 01:21									#62
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Nice log detail, Ele -- once I got used to your shorthand.

You're right about the temples -- I was holding off until latest possible moment (the 12-city mark), having built 2 and started iirc a couple others. Yes, that's what the treasury was for...

Re lack of settlers, I thought it more important to get off our home continent and get some trade going.

Nice turnset, especially those 3 techs and 2 new continents...

FWIW, I recommend Cope's Observ before Mike's Chapel.

Now -- WHO WANTS NEXT??

	12-03-2004 03:00									#63
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Mikes could really help to get a celebrating Republic going. All I heard from the AI reports were battles over who would build the Great Wall. Of course, the loser could switch to something more critical...

BTW, is this a SpaceShip or Conquest game?

	12-03-2004 04:25									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Elephant BTW, is this a SpaceShip or Conquest game?

The game was started by a Rabid Rodent = I would bet Conquest
I'll play a few turns tomorrow (unless I'm not allowed yet).

	12-03-2004 04:36									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Elephant Mikes could really help to get a celebrating Republic going.

Agreed, but the long-term loss of of not having Cope's will be many more beakers, and in my experience the AI will always build it first. You can always play catch-up on city growth.

	12-03-2004 14:58									#66
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The goal is victory by any means - but I'm betting on conquest

Sounds good Elephant - welcome to the throng - have you signed up for our CivGroup?

	12-03-2004 15:01									#67
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Played:

La Fayette
Grigor
SG[1]
Old n Slow
-Jrabbit
Elephant

All welcome - come on down

Ten turns each at this stage

Stu

	14-03-2004 02:24									#68
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Computer crash = no game before monday

	15-03-2004 06:36									#69
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OK, LaFayette, I will take it tonight.

10 Turns it is.

	15-03-2004 08:25									#70
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It is 380AD, and the Institutionalized Ones (Us) have just revolted to Republic, the Pro-Vice Chancellor having recently completed a large building with a painted ceiling. We have found another Civilization (Babs) but no contact has been instigated. We are forbidden to build an embassy or even accept a peace offer, and we have a nice juicy foreign caravan delivery coming up.

Log to follow

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	15-03-2004 08:34									#71
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200* Examining the Map: 13 Cities, in Monarchy, halfway to Mono (425). Copper is on the way from Girba to Carthage; Dye is going offshore from Caralis to Ruscurru. The Western exploring trireme needs a captain. The eastern trirems has nary a captain in sight. Exploring is a priority. Goals this turnset: Mono, MC, gov: republic; gather caravans for Cope's; explore E and W to find at least one AI. I fear the repeating Hides are going to have to be folded into MC.

RB caravan in Rusicade. Press ENTER

220 Rusicade: Silk. Leptis Parva: Silk. Oea (14) founded. A diplomat is engaged as captain for ths Western Trireme. A Caravan moves towards the Eastern trireme, in case we find somebody. Caralis Dye to Ruscurru (d, 24) RB 3rd row in Cartenna.
240 Malaca: Silk; Utica: Silk. Caravan captains Eastern Trireme. RB 2nd row in Leptis Magna
260 Using Find City, Germans are near (188, 22) and Babylonians are pretty close to our East at (471,25). Looks like our Caravan-captained vessel will reach it soon!
280* Monotheism=>Republic. Girba Copper to Carthage (d, 140). Carthage hides to Ruscurru (d, 92) Hut: Nomads on a Western Island - they move to the coast. Buy a Library in Carthage, rush a settler in Leptis Magna, RB some rows.
300 Romans almost done with GW. Carthage: Library. Hut: Nomads on a far western swamp island - sail with Trireme. Adjust Sliders to 60-30-10 to delay Republic until 360 Oedo year. The money will be helpful.
320 Veii builds GW. Germans and Spanish switch to Oracle. Chinese abandon all wonders. Panormus: Hides. Tingis (15) founded at end of River System. Find Whale for Western Nomad. Rush MP in Carthage
340 Ruscurru: Settlers. Caralis: Silk. Carthage: Market. Western Station (17) founded. Far West (18) founded. Pour caravans int MC in Carthage.
360* Girba: Settlers. Rusicade: Slk Malaca: Coal. Carthage: Mike's Chapel. Set Science high again.
380 Barbs arise near Carthago. Rep=>Construction. Instant revolt: Republic. Panormus Hides to Carthage: (d, 56) (I wanted the trade route for Panormus to grow) Babs found!!

Sliders are set for WLTCD growth in many cities. That can still be adjusted, and if my successor wishes to re-revolt to Monarchy, that is possible too. The Eastern Trireme can be unloaded this turn if desired - I leave the conversation with the Babylonians to my successor.

	15-03-2004 21:22									#72
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Totally agree with the exploration mindset.
Now we have the Chapel, we should try for Cope's.

Nice turnset, Grigor!

	15-03-2004 22:53									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Grigor Goals this turnset: Mono, MC, gov: republic; gather caravans for Cope's; explore E and W to find at least one AI. I fear the repeating Hides are going to have to be folded into MC.

That's why I was rushing them...

quote: 240 Caravan captains Eastern Trireme.

Creative solution...

quote: 260 Using Find City, Germans are near (188, 22) and Babylonians are pretty close to our East at (471,25).

Don't tell Lafayette...

quote: 380 Panormus Hides to Carthage: (d, 56) (I wanted the trade route for Panormus to grow)

Did you test for the "optimal" road connection? We could use a few better roads around the main island.

	16-03-2004 01:27									#74
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My computer has been successfully repaired but...
I got a message from Klaus Engel telling that my computer was probably infected by a worm called Netsky IIRC.
My son tells me he thinks he has cured my computer today. Nothing strange occured since then. Please let me know if anything odd happens again.

	16-03-2004 02:44									#75
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Does that that mean you're playing, LaF?

	16-03-2004 03:52									#76
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No, it doesn't.
I'll probably be able to play on wednesday.

	16-03-2004 11:57									#77
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette Please let me know if anything odd happens again.

Well my football team won 4-0 away ...


... but I guess that's not the sort of odd happening that you're interested in.

RJM at Sleeper's

	16-03-2004 14:27									#78
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quote: Originally posted by rjmatsleepers I guess that's not the sort of odd happening that you're interested in. RJM at Sleeper's

...especially since I'm not really a football fan

	16-03-2004 16:29									#79
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I have the game and am playing now

Stu

	16-03-2004 17:30									#80
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Oh Boy! Looking forward to the Rodentian confab with the Babs...

In ten turns we may be at war with everybody!

	16-03-2004 19:17									#81
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Us against Them - 10 turns

0380 (0) 124g, 1.3.6, 101b 5t/a = Embryonic Republic with 1.18M citizens in 17 cities 6 out of 8 possible celebrating about to meet our first Enemy - Babylonia. Land Camel, swap Trade for Construction, they also have Warrior Code, but we decline this, decline offered Peace treaty - and are supported by the Senate, phew! ...

Rule extension, clarification: treaties forced upon us by the Senate can be tolerated and utilised .

... We are Supreme and, of course, Spotless. Move sliders to 0.4.6 to get two more celebrations. Gades is about to pop a Settler that it can't support, change to Camel. Change a few workers around. Hit Enter ...

Toynbee rates us Most Powerful, Babs come Fifth.

0400 (1) 111g, 0.4.6, 104b, 7t/a = Choose University for next advance, Market in Panormus, 8 cities celebrate. Beads, Caralis-Ellipi, 140g.

Spanish nearly complete Oracle.

0420 (2) 232g, 0.4.6, 107b, 7t/a = Pop 1.66M, Village dwellers teach us Medicine, 3 cities stop celebration at size 5, 5 still going rush Aqueduct in Carthage.

Madrid builds Oracle, Germans abandon

0440 (3) 105g, 0.4.6, 118b, 7t/a = Pop 1.98M, Aqueduct in Carthage, Nomad from hut, Cartenna stops celebration at 7. Trireme seems to have lost its way home sailing down a long estuary

Romans start Copernicus' Observatory

0460 (4) 92g, 0.4.6, 127b, 7t/a = Pop 2.17M. Selinus founded. Panormus reaches 8.
0480 (5) 75g, 0.4.6, 138b, 7t/a = Pop 2.3M, University->The Wheel. Himera founded.
0500 (6) 75g, 1.3.6, 149b, 6t/a = Pop 2.52M. Damn! just spotted a sleeping Trireme in Rusicade - mea culpa, mea maxima culpa! . Villagers teach us Navigation. Rush Temple in Oea.
0520 (7) 28g, 1.3.6, 150b, 6t/a = Pop 2.64M.
0540 (8) 24g, 1.3.6, 161b, 6t/a = Pop 2.73M. Akragas founded. Hides(d), Malaca-Oea, 40g. Sliders to 1.1.8.

Sneak attack by Babylonians, our Trireme with precious Caravan survives!

0560 (9) 84g, 1.1.8, 280b, 4t/a = Copernicus' Observatory in Carthage, Romans abandon. Theveste founded. A few rushes and tickles.
0580 (10) 64g, 1.1.8, 277b 4t/a = Leptis Parva builds Harbour. The Wheel->Engineering. Noble Settler reveals silk for Cartenna. (Note for LaFayette - HutFinder not used)

Final Position Summary: 2.74M citizens in 21 cities. Sliders @ 1.1.8. 72g in bank 19g profit/turn. 280beakers/turn = 4 turns/advance. Trireme with Caravan en route for Babylonia, injured Trireme seeking safety in harbour. Gems caravan en route for demanded internal delivery. Regret no stock of 'vans for Wonder production.

Go get 'em! Stu

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	16-03-2004 19:22									#82
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Played:

La Fayette
Grigor
SG[1]
Old n Slow
-Jrabbit
Elephant
Grigor
SG[1]

All welcome - come on down

Ten turns each at this stage

Stu

	16-03-2004 19:40									#83
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Do you aprove of my 'new look' log?
Comments welcome ...

Stu

	16-03-2004 20:51									#84
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Not sure what is new about the log, but the layout , volume of detail , and content are all quite nice. Especially the content.

Great set of turns, Stu!!

Observations from the edge...

Shakespeare's Theatre is coming soon to continue the growth of Carthage...one hopes.

Why are valuable units put to sleep?? Whoever did that should rethink their choices. Sleep means forget. Boats should not be on forget.

Monk

	16-03-2004 21:05									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits Rule extension, clarification: treaties forced upon us by the Senate can be tolerated and utilised .

Makes Rep or Dem even more valuable...

quote: Madrid builds Oracle, Germans abandon

We missed Oracle again?

quote: 0500 (6) Damn! just spotted a sleeping Trireme in Rusicade - mea culpa, mea maxima culpa! .

What about that pile of sleeping caravans?

quote: Sneak attack by Babylonians, our Trireme with precious Caravan survives!

A sneak attack by Babylon? Will Wonders never cease? Must be MGE...

quote: 0560 (9) Copernicus' Observatory in Carthage, Romans abandon.

You had me worried there...

quote: Noble Settler reveals silk for Cartenna. (Note for LaFayette - HutFinder not used)

Knew it was there, but Settlers more valuable colonizing nearby new continents...

quote: Regret no stock of 'vans for Wonder production.

What's next - Shakes? Magellans?

Impressive: 5 techs in 10 turns? Oh, wait: three from Huts or AI...

quote: 0580 (10) 64g, 1.1.8, 277b 4t/a Do you aprove of my 'new look' log?

I like it - looks a bit like mine. I don't do slider settings, but I can see the value in Succession Games. You calculating the beakers yourself, or using SlowThinkers utility?

Suggestion: add a "*" next to the Oedo turns. Got the idea from someone at CFC.

	16-03-2004 21:12									#86
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quote: I like it - looks a bit like mine. I don't do slider settings, but I can see the value in Succession Games. You calculating the beakers yourself, or using SlowThinkers utility?

Yes - imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
Neither - look at F5.

Stu

	16-03-2004 23:14									#87
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Stu, your new log is efficient and makes me adjust my thinking to extract all the meaning. And it's soulless. So I'm not a fan. But whatever -- as long as the games progress.

I'll be sticking with my rambling, natural-language style, which seems to expose my oft-flawed thinking process and thereby encourage RCC.

	16-03-2004 23:56									#88
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without soul??

What's up with that??

Monk

	17-03-2004 00:03									#89
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Mayhap more narative required ...

	17-03-2004 00:16									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk without soul?? What's up with that?? Monk

Just tweaking him, BM. And he took my meaning precisely...