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Phila PA
Aug 2002
time: 00:34
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Sorry, guys: only got 5 turns done...
ELEPHANTINE REVIEW:
Sh-T: Republic T20-S60-L20 3t/70g
F1: 29 cities: Carthage size 23, 9x 7-8, 10x 3-6, 9x 1-2
making mostly caravans, some Temp/Mktplace (*check later)
10+ production: Carth, Malaca, Rusicade
F2: 10 Settlers, 23 def, 5 mtd, 7 gal, 3 dip, 8 car, 2 exp
(*check caravans, dips, ships and explorers later)
F3: Supreme/Spotless; Bab(#2) Uncoop/Peace; Span(#4) Enraged/War,
Sioux(#7) Recep/Peace
F4: Akragas disorder, some Elvi, one in Carthage?
F5: 14x Temples, 10 Mktpla, 2x Lib, 9x Harbor
F6: Res Gunpowder (next tech 1440b got ~1/4?) got 38 techs
F7: got HG,Col,LH,Mikes,Copes,Magel,Shake,Leo,Newt
(available: KRC, SoL,Eiffel!)
(rule question: can we build Eiffel?)
F8: Carth #1, Lepzig sz11, Hamburg sz 12, Ninevah sz 10
(find Germans for trading? Babs second best, closer!)
F11: 1st-3rd all but MilServ #7
Map check:
-Barb Frigate approaching Rusucurru
-NONE Crusader near Ninevah, another in Ashur
-Settler & Gems afloat west of Ashur, Dip bringing another Cruc
-Fortified Galleon in Caralis?
-4x Silk, Hides by Carthage, 2x settlers
-2x settlers south of Rusu
-Galleon with 2x Coal by Far West
-Explorers working east and west on SP
-Galleon with Horse exploring mid-west
-West of Spain and Closer to Germ empty, Galleon has Legion?
-MAJOR unexplored areas west of West Station
Thoughts:
-ship chain to Babs?
-3 more caravans to build SoL
-make Warriors before Gunpowder for Leo's upgrade
-upcoming: Explos, RR(kills HG), Indust?
RB Temple Akragas, caravans on home island
pull Cruc away from Ninevah
change as much building to Warriors as possible
pull Dip&Horse from CedarCreek
Barbs land: 2xLegions on one tile
(Dip WestSpain,Temple Saguntum,Akragas,Gold LeptMag,Clo Rusi,
Silv Carth)
1400ad(1): 194g,350?+400b,4t
...Hut(339,15): NOMADS!
...about 10 new Warriors
...Rusu Legion kills 2 Barb Legions; Barb Frigate still packin'
...drop Dip for Rusu; pickup Carth Silver
...build BABTIP(+3F,6-2T,3Sh) start Warrior
...Hut(211,15): Horde! 4xHorse; kiss that NONE Legion goodbye
(why are we using NONE Legions for Hutbusting?)
Horde of Horses kill NONE Legion far West;
one more Legion lands by Rusu (Frigate empty!)
(Dip WestTing,Silv Theveste,Temple Selinus,Clo Gades,Dye Malaca)
1420ad(2): 202g,~1150b,4t
...another 6 Warriors
...kill the Barb Legion: VET!
...bribe the empty Barb Frigate 102g
...drop Cartenna Gems in Babland (and pray)
...build SUWAY(+3F,6-3T,3Sh) from Nomad, start Dip
...last minute Warrior RBing...
Spanish start KRC
disorder Theveste
(Dye Cartenna,Salt LeptParv,Dye Utica)
GUNPOWDER(&UPGRADES!); start Metal(vs Atom or WarCode...)
1440ad(3): 205g,0b,4t/1480b
...another 10 Warriors; with Phal/Arch/Leg: 45 musketeers!
(disband some for more Galleons- nice to have Horse available...)
(tempted to keep some cities producing Warriors- better not)
...sell Library in WestOfSpain(why didnt I notice that before?)
...chg T20S60L20 3t
Chinese start AdamSmith
(Temple Theveste,Copper Carthago,Gems Girba,Spice Carth)
1460ad(4): 148g,579b,3t
...Cartenna Gems to Ninevah(10/Wine/Gems/Silv): 342g/b,+4TR(repl 2nd)
Ninevah now Cop/SILV/Wine(whew)
...Last tile of Carthage changed to grass and roaded!
...start Statue, 8x caravans
...360g for Sioux caravel near LittleBig? I'll pass
...Hut(300,30): CRETE(size 3,Gran/Temp/Mktplc:+4F,9-5T,4Sh);
sell Granary 60g
...RB some Temples, settlers, caravans
(Dip Clo2Ger,Sett FarWestHelp,Himera,Temple FarWest,Tingis,Spice
Rusu,Settler Ashur)
STATUE IN CARTH!
METALLURGY; start Explos(vs Atom/Econ/RR)
1480ad(5): 342g,0b,3t/1520b
DUMB! DUMB! DUMB! - Engineers in <3 turns!
...more Galleons coming out
...Cartenna Dye to Babylon(5/Dye/Salt/Wine): 212g/b,+4TR(repl 1st)
...Hut(294,30): VERONA(sz2,Gran/Temp/Mktpla,Lib:+2F,10-6T,5Sh);
sell Library 80g
(another AT one spot off from 4xWhale!)
...RB more Temples
after 1am Notes (consider with extreme prejudice!):
-Carthage Silver going to Ninevah
-wait on Settlers till Explosives
-suggest RR next, gang up Eng from Carthago to Ashur and from
LeptMag to WestStation then across FarWest
-Sioux are getting Hostile, but have not interfered - yet...
(2 new AT cities just south of them!)
-Galleon west of Clos2Ger has Dip aboard for proper hutbusting
-explore around Spain?
-Indust in two techs if you want it...
-KEEP THE BABS!
-MORE TRADE!
-FUNDY?
And the save: 21954_th_a1480.sav
WARNING: another elongated download filename - truncate!
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Elephant
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Phila PA
Aug 2002
time: 00:34
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Thanks - didnt relish another late night.
BTW, Verona still has that Granary...
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Scouse Gits
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Liverpool, United Kingdom
Nov 1999
time: 05:34
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Us against Them - 10 turns
1480 (0) -- Fairly sturdy Republic (not for long I suspect) 33 cities housing 7.86M citizens. Sliders at 2.2.6 giving 131-55g 3 turns/advance (612beakers) short on Marketplaces at first glance. As ever, corruption off the home continent is through the roof. Carthage needs quite a bit more irrigation, but could then grow some. Babylonians, Uncooperative, Peace; Spanish, Enraged, War; Sioux, Hostile, War.
Proposal - switch to soft celebrating Fundy on a cash economy for an aggresive spurt of white good shopping and, mayhap, buy Soiuxland while doing this. Sliders to 0.6.4, Revolt, employ many Elvi ...
1500(1) = The Dean proclaimed first Chaplain of the Institiutional Fundamentality. Income now 382-33g; 51 turns/advance (30beakers). Ship chain to Babylon nearly in place. Much celebration induced. Many white goods started.
Babylon builds KRC, Sioux & Spanish abandon, Sioux land near Crete, Spanish Ellie kills dip near West of Spain.
1510(2) = 20 cities celebrate, 3 Temples & 2 MPs completed, 5 caravans built. 513g in treasury. Dip rushed in W o S. Even Farther founded. Dip rushed in Verona. Dip finds cache of 100g in a disused village. Silver(d), Carthage-Nineveh, 755g  . Spice, Carthage-Babylon, 266g. Spend over 1400g on white goods.
Soux Caravel attacks Galleon with 2 caravans and a ?horse? on board - loses  . German Explorer sighted on South Pole.
1520(3) = 2 more Celebrations, 6 MPs, a Temple, an Aqueduct (mistake), 2 Dips, 3 Vans & the first Clad . Coal, Malaca-LBH, 248g. Coal, Selinus-LBH 236g (box full, but wounded Galleon is now faced by second Sioux Caravel and looks to be sunk). Verona Musk trashes Sioux Cat. Barcelona located.
Meet the Romans on the South Pole - We refuse to give them Republic - they declare War.
1530(4) = 6 MPs, 2 Caravans. Explosives->Conscription - Leo does his thing. Gems, Gitba-Carthage, 96g; Silver, Theveste-Carthage, 96g; Verona Musk becomes vet blowing away Sioux Archer. Salt(d), Leptis Parva-Babylon, 244g.
1540(5) = 3 MPs, an Aqueduct & 2 more celebrations. The Empire is Celebrating. Gold, Leptis Magna-Carthage, 261g. Another City founded. Dye(d), Utica-Ellipi, 220g. Dye, Seguntum-Babylon, 70g. Nanking located, bribed (256g - 31g & Economics). We are nearly ready for Democracy.
1550(6) = Population 8M. 3 more Temples completed. Silk, Gades-Nineveh, 122g. Gems, Carthage-Babylon, 272g. Cloth, Rusicade-Babylon, 126g. Beads, Cartenna-Babylon, 126g.
Babs sneak attack and kill isolated Crook.
1560(7) = 2 Temples. Conscription->Fundamentalism. Copper(d), Carthago-Carthage,
162g. Barcelona bribed (490-98g & Warrior Code).
1570(8) = Assorted deliveries to Babylon, 522g. Verona forces repel Spanish & Sioux incursion.
1580(9) = Hamburg with Pyramids & Feudalism bought for 2000g.
1590(10) = Baulked by a settler from buying my second spanish city - I pass the conch.
We can probably go to a Democracy now - but be aware that the fleet - 3 clads & a Frigate - is at sea bound for siouxland.
Stu
 Attachment: th_a1590.zip
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Elephant
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Phila PA
Aug 2002
time: 00:34
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What's the Barracks for, or did that come with a bribed Sioux city?
At least we finally found the Germans - kinda far for a ship chain; wanna RR the NP/SP?
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Elephant
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Phila PA
Aug 2002
time: 00:34
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Seems like our hare is acting more like the turtle...
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-Jrabbit
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of the Electronic Egyptians
Feb 2002
time: 23:34
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Mid-turn in 1590, Big Bun is installed as Chaplain. The realm is in soft Fundy, halfway to hard Fundy, and netting 908 GP/turn at 60-0-40. We seem to have a tech lead, but with embassies prohibited, can't be certain.
Goals:
--Explore; try to confirm the "circular earth" theory
--Continue trade with Babs, but reduce to zoo status
--Expand mobility by establishing an Eastern shipchain
--Solidify power base in Spanish, German lands
--Find Romans
--Tech goals: RR (Darwin), Indust (transports), progress miltech -->> Cavalry
End of 1590:
--Babylon deliveries: Rusicade silk 126, Carthage wool 272.
--Change various build orders, rushbuy some white goods, increment some units.
--Change 2 Carthage workers from taxmen to Eins.
--SG[1] has set the stage nicely, so -- REVOLUTION!!
1600 (1)
--Roman horsie turns Hamburg musket to vet
--Two engineers added
--Big Bun named Vice Chancellor of Institutional Democracy.
--Closer to Germa grows, disorder
--Beads, Carthago to Carthage, 81 GP (+6 route). Silk, Saguntum to Babylon 74 GP.
--Cordoba (7) revolts to the Institutional cause for 812 GP (120 plunder, 2 legions, library. Sell Granary.
1610 (2)
--W T Vice Chancellor celebrated in 28 cities (all but 3 of the eligibles)
--Add some dips, increment some camels.
--Spanish chat (4 spears) -- CF denied buut Senate overrules us.  They offer 300 for peace. We decline and the Senate is OK with that.
--Germans (2 arrows) also want to chat: Demand gunpowder (no), suggest CF (no, but Senate intervenes), then offer peace (denied, but Senate signs treaty). Democracy can be such a drag!
--Sliders move to 30-10-60.
--Since we won't be able to buy many cities, build orders for White Goods and increments abound.
1620 (3)
--Dip enters Cordoba, gives us pretext, so we declare WAR! on Spain. Two Ellies killed.
--Add one more WLTVCD.
--We discover Fundamentalism and the workshop upgrades our units. Railroad is next.
--Harbor, 3 aqueducts added.
--Seviille revolts for 648 (64 plunder).
--Konigsberg (8)mapped. 
--Bebylon deliveries: Malaca silk 122, Utica beads 120, Carthage gems 272, Cartenna silk 132.
1630 (4)
--Spanish chat, blasted Senate grants CF. 300 offered for peace, we decline.
--WLTVCD +2
--Temple, 2 aqueducts, 3 engineers completed. Pre-Darwin camel rush begins.
--Disorder in Cordoba.
--Hut reveals advanced tribe of Prague (size 4, with temple  )
--Many defenders spotted rushing into Babylon.
--More Babylon deliveries: Carthage dye 272, Panormus beads 160, Leptis Parva silk 148.
--Spanish wanna chat again. We decline, but Senate goes behind our back and signs peace treaty.
1640 (5)
--Spanish begin construction of Sun Tzu. (Big Bun hopes they finish it about the time we get cavalry... )
--WLTVC +1
--Temple, 4 aqueducts, 3 more engineers added.
--Panormus awarded government contract as future site of Darwin's. Camels laden with food for construction crew head in that direction.
--Cloth, Caralis to Babylon 164 GP.
1650 (6)
--Germans commit an act of espionage. We declare WAR!
--WLTVC +1, but 3 cities end celbrations.
--One-each harbor, aqueduct, temple, sewer system added.
--Beads, Western Island to Carthage 104 GP.
--Konigsberg revolts for 880gp (78 plunder, 3 knights, legion, settler). will be nice when Leo upgrades!
--We spend virtually all our cash.
1660 (7)
--Germans chat -- Senate forces peace. Hoping to find a war pretext, we ask them to attack Romans, which they would do for 300 GP. We decline, preferring to do our own dirty work.
--We discover the Railroad, obsoleting HG. About half our cities stop celebrating. Leo does his magic. Industrialization selected (over Chivalry, electricity, Theology, and Atomic Theory).
--Toledo, Madrid mapped.
--Deliveries to Ninevah: Selinus cloth 41, Girba silk 126, Theveste beads 115.
--Deliveries to Babylon (all silk): from Carthago 40, Leptis Magna 120, Tingis 87.
--Bab city of Uruk revolts for 381 (60 back, plus legion and settler).
--Roman city of Syracuse (2) revolts for 172 (14 bac, plus phalanx, horse, trireme).
--Romans want to chat, we refuse. Senate goes behind Big Bun's Back and signs peace treaty.
--Looow on funds for more white goods, celebrations ending, and sick to death of the damned senate. Sounds like a good time for a REVOLUTION!
1670 (8)
--Big Bun declared Chaplain of new (hard) Institutional Fundamentalism.
--Babs (4 arrows) chat, offer 750 GP for cease fire. We stay at WAR!
--German diplomat spotted and expelled from Hamburg area.
--Camel convergence continues. Shipchain east getting close. Engineers stop irrigating, start building RRs.
1680 (9)
--Germans warn of treaty violation near Berlin. Spanish feel the same about our presence near Toledo.
--WT Chaplain celebrated in 25 cities.
--Hut reveals adv. tribe of Salzburg (3), complete with temple and library.
--deliveries to Little Bighorn: silk (d) from Oea 684 ; silk from Himera (oops, meant to send to homeland) 64, Spice from Far West 124.
--Ellipi (8) revolts for 1320. Plunder 182, gain 2 musketeers and a pikeman.
1690 (10)
--Faders are now at 40-0-60.
--Industrialization discovered. chivalry selected over Communism.
--Our 'clads empty Little Bighorn, which we enter and capture (171 plunder, minus 136 used to bribe nearby spanish ellie.
--Bribe Cadiz (3) for 219 (51 plunder, plus legion and trireme). Nearby catpult bribed for 144.
--Darwin's Expedition completed in Panormus, camel production returns to trade goods.
Upset at having saved 12 camels for a WoW costing 400 shields,   Chaplain Big Bun retires.
History will remember: having more than doubled the population while adding considerable white goods. some decent exploration, but not quite circumnavigating the ribbon world. Eastern shipchain needs only a couple more units (easily affordable under Fundy) in order to be functionallycomplete.
Once our income is stabilized, we will have an opportunity for more democratic growth -- but WHY? We should have sufficient strentgh to run roughshod over the world without bothering...
 The next turnset should be lots of fun -- who wants next?
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Elephant
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Phila PA
Aug 2002
time: 00:34
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quote:
Originally posted by -Jrabbit
This is definitely turning into a romp. Our biggest limitation will be tracking down missing cities on this big map. (For this reason, I decided it was too early to snuff any civs lest they restart in obscure positions.) |
Romps are no fun, just figuring out how to end it as quickly as possible. We are past 1500; isn't that enough to cut off the restarts, or is is 1750?
We are nearly 6 weeks into this Free-For-All; we seem to have dropped the "first poster wins" mentality and gone back to the "I'll take it for this week" mindset...
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29-03-2004 22:03
Good call going Demo, too.
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