07-03-2004 10:32									#31
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quote: Make Bush pause?

Are the moderates more likely to stick with Bush than the so-called Christian coalition? Ponder that for awhile.

If enough people make the statement, then yes, he is going to listen to you.

	07-03-2004 10:34									#32
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well, i'm moderate, and i already know i can't support bush this coming election.

i can't stand anybody else, but bush has spent my future on his stupid attempt to buy the elderly vote.

	07-03-2004 10:34									#33
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quote: Are the moderates more likely to stick with Bush than the so-called Christian coalition?

No. Didn't even have to ponder it a while .

quote: If enough people make the statement, then yes, he is going to listen to you.

The problem is that he won't. He knows they'll vote for him in the end (or he thinks they will). Bush has shown a HUGE predilection for refusing to listen to people who disagree with him.

	07-03-2004 10:34									#34
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quote: I believe he voted for it in '94 and hasn't said he wants to repeal it. In fact, Kucinich hammed the major primary opponents for ALL being for NAFTA.

He may have voted for NAFTA then, but he supports tariffs in a heartbeat to preserve American jobs.

	07-03-2004 10:35									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Indeed... it's hilarious for Fez to say what he did. I'm sure che would like another soldier to his cause, but he knows I'm not it. It is precisely BECAUSE I'm a Republican moderate that this choice tortures me so.

You're not a republican moderate for the last time. At best you are a democrat moderate.

At any rate, I was just joking about that comparsion. Geez, lighten up boy.

	07-03-2004 10:35									#36
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Ah hell folks, moderate and conservative are just titles people like to throw out. There are some fundamental ideals that we subscribe to and I think we should recognize those before we start back biting eachother.

	07-03-2004 10:35									#37
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fez, what makes you a moderate republican?

	07-03-2004 10:36									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed fez, what makes you a moderate republican?

Because I say so.

	07-03-2004 10:36									#39
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quote: He may have voted for NAFTA then, but he supports tariffs in a heartbeat to preserve American jobs.

From what I've seen the only tariffs he backs is if our trading partners violate their obligations under the treaty for labor and environmental standards... then the tariffs come back up. Kind of like a breach of contract. I'm not too fond of it, but I can see his point.

	07-03-2004 10:37									#40
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fez, that's not good enough.

what makes you a moderate republican, as opposed to a strongly conservative republican, which your rhetoric rather clearly suggests?

	07-03-2004 10:38									#41
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quote: Because I say so.

In that case, you must recognize me as a moderate Republican. Hell, I've been affiliated with the Republican Party much longer than you have and have held more leadership roles within it .

	07-03-2004 10:38									#42
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I'd ask why you're a Republican in the first place?

Campaign Finance Reform? Bush signed that into law, although Democrats are now finding ways to flout it through sites like moven.org

Balanced budgets? Bush did go overboard, but he is recently putting forward a plan to slash the deficit. They recently did an analysis of Kerry's plans and his proposed expenditures overcost the amount of his propred tax increases by around $200 bil.

Kerry has also never been a proponent of balanced budgets and has opposed them many time throughout his career.

"And Kerry with a Republican Congress ensures nothing gets done = bliss. "

And what if he gets a Democratic Congress sometime during his presidency. Sure, it isn't likely to happen in 2004, but it could happen later in his career.

"I HATE that he totally stuck a middle finger to the world. I mean do you think France and Russia were interested in fighting Iraq in 1991? NO, of course not! But Bush, the elder, was a good diplomat. He got them to go along with it. "

So you are blaming America first and George W. Bush for France's obstinancy?

Colin Powell and his team did make every effort to reconcile them, but France would not budge. 1991 was a different situation, the war was easier to support as Iraq had invaded another country.

Check out Kerry's record if you need to Imran. He has for his entire career been on the far left and opposed nearly every traditional Republican value. Kerry opposed Reagan, and he opposed GHWB in Gulf War I. I don't see why anybody who calls themself a Republican of any flavor would be inclined to support Kerry.

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quote: From what I've seen the only tariffs he backs is if our trading partners violate their obligations under the treaty for labor and environmental standards... then the tariffs come back up.

Environmental standards? Sounds like a neat way to raise tariffs to protect american jobs.

Why do you think he hammers Bush so much for lifting the steel tariffs?

	07-03-2004 10:40									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed fez, that's not good enough. what makes you a moderate republican, as opposed to a strongly conservative republican, which your rhetoric rather clearly suggests?

You want the watered down version?

Iraq War - I am for it
Abortion - I am against it but will make compromises when rape is involved
Religious Charities - Keep it out of government
Gay marriage - Totally FOR
Bush Tax Cuts - For

What does that make me? Moderate.

	07-03-2004 10:41									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Because I say so. In that case, you must recognize me as a moderate Republican. Hell, I've been affiliated with the Republican Party much longer than you have and have held more leadership roles within it .

Alright, I'll bite, what leadership roles? I might know your people if you were in the same circles.

	07-03-2004 10:42									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo You want the watered down version? Iraq War - I am for it Abortion - I am against it but will make compromises when rape is involved Religious Charities - Keep it out of government Gay marriage - Totally FOR Bush Tax Cuts - For What does that make me? Moderate.

but not to sure about the religious charities. I haven't seen any strong enough to publicly influence anything mainstream.

	07-03-2004 10:44									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Alright, I'll bite, what leadership roles? I might know your people if you were in the same circles.

He was President of the College Republicans at Rutgers, IIRC.

	07-03-2004 10:44									#48
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Because the man is advocating what is good for now: balanced budget and a reconciliation with our allies. Kerry opposed a balanced budget amendment (which I do as well, it's moronic), but that doesn't mean he's against balanced budgets in general. I'm confident that if the expenditures overrun the tax increase, Kerry will not advocate as wide-sweeping programs (not like most of his plans will past the Congress in the first place).

And YES, I'm blaming GW for France. He could have easily soothed their pride like his father did. But, GW is no GHW.

And Bush had to be dragged kicking and screaming to Campaign Finance Reform, like Clinton had to with Welfare Reform. He doesn't back it and would love to it struck down.

	07-03-2004 10:45									#49
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So what. I was Co-Chair of the NYCRSC with 2500 members under my belt.

	07-03-2004 10:46									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle So what.

We'll he's proud of it.

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quote: Alright, I'll bite, what leadership roles? I might know your people if you were in the same circles.

DD said I was President of the Rutgers College Republicans (after being Veep and Tresurer) and thus on the ground floor for many New Jersey races. I was also the vice-youth coordinator of the Bob Franks for Senate campaign in 2000 (Damn Corzine!). Worked also on the Schundler campaign for Governor in 2001 (not as a regular volunteer either... but had no official title).

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc We'll he's proud of it.

Well good, I was a Chair once too. Nice to see the CR's don't fade away after college.

	07-03-2004 10:47									#53
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Since we're all in the confessional.

Iraq War - I am against it.
Abortion - I am against it.
Religious Charities - For.
Gay marriage - Against.
Bush Tax Cuts - For


Religious charities take some of burdens off the government. Bush's plans seem to work well.

	07-03-2004 10:48									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Since we're all in the confessional. Iraq War - I am against it. Abortion - I am against it. Religious Charities - For. Gay marriage - Against. Bush Tax Cuts - For Religious charities take some of burdens off the government. Bush's plans seem to work well.

Not to get on gay marriage, but why against?

	07-03-2004 10:49									#55
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That's a debate going on in numerous threads already. Let's not rehash it here.

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Iraq War - For (but not the way it was handled)
Abortion - For (against Partial Birth ones)
Religious Charities - For
Gay marriage - For
Bush Tax Cuts - For/Against (for everything but the top end cuts)

Does that make me a moderate on the Fez scale too

	07-03-2004 10:50									#57
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quote: He doesn't back it and would love to it struck down

I would say the opposite. Hard money has not proved an impediment to Bush.

	07-03-2004 10:50									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Alright, I'll bite, what leadership roles? I might know your people if you were in the same circles. DD said I was President of the Rutgers College Republicans (after being Veep and Tresurer) and thus on the ground floor for many New Jersey races. I was also the vice-youth coordinator of the Bob Franks for Senate campaign in 2000 (Damn Corzine!). Worked also on the Schundler campaign for Governor in 2001 (not as a regular volunteer either... but had no official title).

I did an export trip to Giant stadium for Schundler about two or three years ago. Damn, what was your state chairman's name? I remember him being lactose intolerant.

	07-03-2004 10:51									#59
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And yes, I am proud of my Presidency. It's not easy to be a Republican in the Berkley of the East, nevertheless the President of Republicans.

	07-03-2004 10:51									#60
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc That's a debate going on in numerous threads already. Let's not rehash it here.

Agreed. Same with abortion. 18 years in Catholic school is enough.